World issues: Whats your opinion?

[coolman100]

What issues are you concerned about and whats your opinion on them?

I think the war in Iraq is the biggest issue right now. We seriously need to get out of their before the violence gets way out of hand!

[mister Xazos]

Issues ? The involve of US in Irak and Europe. Want more ?
ps: If you want to get out from wars and problems, your country must stop causing the others problems and to pretend it's the powerfull and has history.

[Música101]

America needs to mind it's own business and stop getting into other countries problems. Let other countries solve there own problems. I think the war in Iraq was the bigest mistack ever. They never should of went in it for the first place.

[mister Xazos]

Musica101, I thought I was mean with our friend, but I see I'm not the only one who dares telling the truth.

[Música101]

Well the truth needs to be told =] I'ts been going on for 4 years.

[mister Xazos]

And so many things are worse because of them...
Anyway... What I still cannot understand is how they are capable to affirm they have history ? Are countries with 2000 years and great inventions etc. And Europe built US, so they must be thankfull to Colomb not to pretend another things.

[lollipop]

USA is not guilty of all sorrow and misery in this world.

Remember all: you talk about his home country. Have some respect. coolman100 did not start any wars, and from his post it clearly sees, that he wants it to stop.

[Adrienne]

Yes I agree with you guys.. Why interfere in something that is not their busisness at first place.. They always have that thing of making a mess everywhere they go.. I just dont see the link between Iraq and the USA, not between Europe and the USA.. Why do they have to put their fingers in something that is so far away from them? It just doesnt make a sense to me..
Is it just a complex, trying to be a big power I dont know.. I just see, from my point of view that they make even bigger mess that it was at first place...
Btw. This is not the attack at the person who started the thread, with all do respect hehe..
Just my point of view, from the country that has experienced, and is still experiencing something similair

[mister Xazos]

Lollipop, sorry to say this but everybody know how the americans are. For example, when I asked one student who was suposted to come in Iasi to study for 2 weeks and stay in my house, she asked me if Romania is in Africa.
The wars from Yugoslavia, Irak were cause in big parts by them. Let's say in Yugoslavia not in majority, but they went to Irak not to help the people from there God damn it ! They went to seal oil, everybody knows it. Why to be always the fools by helping them ? Romania, Serbia, all the countries who helped them with miliar suplies accorgind to Nato (for peace they say...) are pushed to do this. We wouldn't sacrify our soldiers just because Bush and his stupid government don't have nothing to do just to interfere in the others bussines.
They acuse Russia for nuclear weapons and military suplies, enourmous ones. But who lanched the nuclear bombs ? They proclaim themselves the most demoscratic country, but walking on the street it's mortal in 80% cases. Come in Romania, or in Greece, or even in Serbia, although everybody says it's dangerous, but in these countries you won' get killed just because one man wants.
How could you people to be respectfull with those who cause us problems ? They pay a lot the Europeans to go there for studies. They have nothing. Harvard ? Yale ? They ever heard about Oxford ? Cambridge ? Sorbonna and many others ? No, because they only see what they want.
How it's possible to ask If in Romania are tvs ? Or in Greece if there are apartaments ? On which world they live ? On the moon, they already bought land...
Wake up... With all my respect for you Lollipop, but like Adrieene said this is my opinion, rasist or not, good or bad, call it as you like, but we are not suposed to respect them; we Ignore them.
Regards.

[Música101]

^ yep I agree. The only reasone why they went into Iraq was for stupid oil. Which really the Americans should try to conserve due to Global Warming, whitch is all America's falt because 30% of all Co2 and gass is from there. The Americans are very gready, they only do something if it will help them.

[Música101]

Originally Posted by Sosollikos

. For example, when I asked one student who was suposted to come in Iasi to study for 2 weeks and stay in my house, she asked me if Romania is in Africa.

Wow, she thought that Romania was in Africa? That was pretty stupid.

[lollipop]

You both are right. Everybody is entitled for ignorance.
I choose to ignore your blind generalization.
It seems from your posts, like you categorize all US citizens as fools, who are hungry for oil and power, and don't know where Romania is.

[Adrienne]

I dont like generalization either.. Once I talked to italian guy, and he thought Montenegro was in Africa so .. :P I dont have to say that there is only Adriatic sea between Italy and Montenegro but nevermind.. I dont think all the italians are stupid because of that
Btw. I dont think that this forum is the right place to discuss such things.. It's kinda sad subject

[mister Xazos]

It's up to you how you how take this Lollipop, but as far as I see you come from a small country, which after '90 became free. How would you feel when you're left outside just because you don't want to dirt your hands ? Or to ask smbd if your country is in Africa? I really love my country and I do not accept this stupids who believe themselves the greatest. At least if you're stupid, just be quiet. I guess you understand now what I am talking because our both countries stood by the "Iron wall" for many time...
Generalising... Let me give you an example to see what I want to show you.
What if I move to Greece (because I really adore this country) or to Spain (my parents are there), I studied a lot, I became a great person well known in my subjects; And I have papers and I'm considered a citizen with full rights like greeks or spanish, AM I A GREK ? AM I A SPANISH ?
You see... What people cannot understand is that even if I stay in a country 100 years or whatever it takes, I would never be a greek or a spanish. Only in papers with 2 nationalities. This means that I'm Romanian and FOREVER I'll be. Like you're Estonian and so on.
But maybe I'm just a fanatic of my country and I'm wrong, but who loves his/her country would never give up to feel in his/hre soul what she/he really is.
I stop here. It's better to end here this discussion, but do not forget the causes done by [...] and all the troubles...

Regards.
Warm hugz for Adrienne (long time no speaking:-p) and Musica101.
[vives en Madrid ? mis papas viven en Barcelona, que tal el tiempo ahi ? aquy esta peor cada dia... hasta luego ]

[mister Xazos]

Originally Posted by lollipop

You both are right. Everybody is entitled for ignorance.
I choose to ignore your blind generalization.
It seems from your posts, like you categorize all US citizens as fools, who are hungry for oil and power, and don't know where Romania is.

BTW, Romania is located in the South of Central Europe and her capital is Bucharest.
Pacient my darling, they niether know where's Estonia.
How much costs one Atlas ? Maps... Or the internet, maybe don;t have t possibility or see. Must I put here some links to show the WORLD'S MAPS ?

[mister Xazos]

Originally Posted by Música101

Wow, she thought that Romania was in Africa? That was pretty stupid.

Yes, I was somethings like *** ? Normally, I was dissapointed. After first day in school she told me that had never done exercises like that. And she didn't like my English teacher just because she was... Speaking British, not american. Imagine... As far as I know, British English is learnt in Romanian schools.
Anyway, I go to have a shower. Regards :*

[lollipop]

The more i read, the less i understand, what's your issue with only people from US.
If you don't like politics, then this is whole other thing.
But if you categorize it like this:

Originally Posted by Sosollikos

...but everybody know how the americans are

, then I feel this kind of saying near sided, and offensive.
I have friends in US, and they are just...people. Normal American people, who i like very much. I also like Americans, who are in these Forums. They are wonderful persons. So...'everybody' don't know, "how americans are".

Also
I don't care, if someone doesn't know, where Estonia is located...
Lot of people don't know.
I was in France, many people didn't knew at all.
I was in Germany, there one person guessed, that "aaah, I know, you are that little communist country not far from Leningrad..."

There are stupid people allover the world, Sosollikos. Not knowing my country is only a drop in ocean, it is not this important to me, as it is for you.

And I also can honestly say, that I don't know the world map this well myself, to locate every small country in their right position, either.

As I don't see this going anywhere, and i don't understand exactly, what you mean with telling me, that i come from small country myself, or that we was behind Iron curtain. It's a painful part of history for us, but if i would take it very personal, then it would be impossible for me to live in my country. We have a burden to carry from our past, we get reminded of it every single day. And I live with it, without letting it somehow to make me angry. I wont let myself to hate another whole country/all people because of this. And as i live next to a big powerful country, then let me remind you, that US is not the only big country in the world, interfering to other countries politics, and having wars in places, where they should not have.

But...
I can't change you, as you can't change me, so lets agree on disagreeing with each other? I come to rest here in Forums, and i'm sure, it is a way to relax, for you too. So I drop this now, as we will never ever agree on this matter. We are like night and day in this matter...

Have nice shower, Sosollikos!

[mister Xazos]

Hmmm... "Who doesn't know history is condamned to live it again"
I must admit that I cannot understand a person who is careless with his country. Although many fallows are not glad when they say their identity, and I still cannot understand why ? most of us must be proud of what their country is.
Romanian team went o Estonia to play and they were very happy of the progress of your country. Why not ? If you realised something you must be proud.
Russia ? In Romanian history they play an important role, in Europe too. It's normally for you, all the baltics to speak nice about Russians. But Moldavian Republic is still kept under her power, although they are Romanians. Romanian tezaurus was and still it is stolen by them. How can a person to forget when the other makes mistakes intentionelly ?
May I ask you if you make history in school ? Or what type of history ? Books made in Russia ?
Come on... Let's be once straight and honest.
If I think twice, only fools are those who speak the truth and in some end, the suffer the most. But... Everybody chose what to be.
Don't take it personally Lollipop, it's just a contradictory discussion. And I have nothing against your relaxing time
Apologize for all the disconfort created by me, but as you said... We're unique in thought and beliefs.
Have a nice night Lollipop.
Look, I have a beer for you or a coffee to see it was just a discussion
Enjoy it
All the best from me

[lollipop]

@Sosollikos

I try to say that it is wrong to categorize a whole nationality, as for me personally it felt, like you are attacking coolman for his nationality, already categorizing him along "all other americans". coolman obviously can not tell to his government, to stop a war tomorrow, neither is he "guilty" of Columbus discovering America. (I personally don't get what you try to say with having no history, as it IS history, it is history of discovering Americas). I don't think, US should somehow thank Europe for this, as it is just history long time ago, and I would find it the weirdest thing, if someone from Europe would go to say: Hey, anyways, you are here thanks to Columbus, so..."

I speak of individuals, and that governments don't do, what people want. Do you know the % of people in US, that want this war to stop? It's high enough, but the real issue is, that who CAN stop the world? It's out of hands of US citizens. I don't see it right, to still put a man down, after he is clearly stated, that he wants war to stop.

I must pull myself back now, as after your comment about Russia, I have hard time, to stay neutral, and to answer neutral back at you, without bringing in my somewhat heated feelings about this subject. You want honesty, but my honesty would maybe hurt someone, so I can't do this here. I just can't. I don't feel it to be the right place. I don't want to somehow insult some members of these Forums, as I like the ones, that we have here. We have done fine without politics so far, and i wish to continue this way.

You have wrong information about, what is going on in Baltic States, and specially in Estonia. I don't know, from where you got your information, but if you saw a native from Baltic States, who spoke nicely about Russia's actions against us, then I only can tell you, this person was either lying to your face, or he was not native citizen from here.

We are free as a country, but this year has been a sad year for Estonia, as our eyes had to see all this vandalism in our streets, our diplomats being held as hostages, our government, news channels and online banks electronically attacked, and all this hate, coming from one part of our own citizens against us.

But...stop. I will refuse to talk about it another word in this Forums. Period.

I only was trying to say to you, that US is not the only big country, who is having wars, so I don't find it fair, that people put members down just for their nationality. I was active in other forums, where the same thing happened. Our very nice US members were pushed out of the forums, and now I don't go there anymore either, as i find it unfair. It is unfair to treat single persons, like only they are responsible war. Especially, when their opinion about it is, that this needs to be stopped.

Sosollikos, there was another nationality issue in our Forums some time back, and I wrote my opinion there. Now, to my big shame, I have "eaten" my own words, I feel, I have crossed a line, as i have overstepped my own words, about what these Forums are for. I came here for Music.
I first posted to this thread, because I felt in my opinion, that you were unfair with coolman. I said my words, and now I find myself overstepping my duties as Moderator, and getting too deep into this issue myself. Now I am with you in conversation, that i should just watch from background, and stay neutral. Before I make another failure, I pull myself back from here. I love to discuss things. But...I also love these Forums, and I don't want to say something, that I will regret afterwards, as I don't want to insult NO ONE in this Forums. Saying things is easy, but repairing the consequences may be impossible...

With this said, I am out of this discussion with you.
So i won't response anymore to you, and please don't take it as some kind of insult, or a thought, that maybe i don't care to read your posts anymore, or that i somehow don't bother. I just feel, that I must stop right now, and i'm hoping, you understand my reasons. : )

And i would take that coffee AND beer also with you any time, my friend!

Thank you for your time Sosollikos, as it was very interesting to talk to you, and although we think totally different, it was still very nice. : )


Have great time, my friend!

The End.

[mister Xazos]

I went last night with my best friend to have a beer and I told her about this subject here. I thought twice about it... So imature because it's too late, but it worths telling the truth. You are right in these points.
I don't know how to explain this to you but when you're no in the position to make something good for your friends or for smth bigger, it comes and anger. Always hands up, do what they say. Many people like us don't exist. Maybe that's way most of them are happy.
But I apreciate your atitude, and YES, it was a pleasure for me to talk to you.
Next time we'll discuss about... anything else then politics ))

I need to apologize for opening some wounds, but I have been through myself. Bouth hurt.

As I skept today's classes I go to have a hot shower and to drink my coffe.
What do you study ?

[Música101]

Originally Posted by Sosollikos

And so many things are worse because of them...
Anyway... What I still cannot understand is how they are capable to affirm they have history ? Are countries with 2000 years and great inventions etc. And Europe built US, so they must be thankfull to Colomb not to pretend another things.

Columbus did not discover America. Native American's(Indigenous peoples) were already there for many years.

[mister Xazos]

My friend,
They didn' call themselves "americans". This is the difference. I know what you're talking about, but they were on their own called such as "maya", "aztacs" and so on...

[Sinners And Saints]

Though not the first to reach the Americas from Europe, Columbus' voyages led to general European awareness of the hemisphere and the successful establishment of European cultures in the New World.