To all fans of the great Mitropanos !

Geia sou re paides ,

Could u help me , please ,with the translation of '' Ta Ladadika '' by Dmitris Mitropanos
Here are the lyrics of the song :

Τα λαδάδικα

Στίχοι: Φίλιππος Γράψας
Μουσική: Μάριος Τόκας
Πρώτη εκτέλεση: Δημήτρης Μητροπάνος

Σε συζητάν δίχως γιατί και όχι άδικα
όπως κοιμάσαι στα στενά παλιά λαδάδικα
έγινες φήμη και γι αυτό δε φυλακίζεσαι
ζεις στο σκοτάδι παστρικά μα δεν ορκίζεσαι

Λάμπεις στα κόκκινα σατέν που σε τυλίγουνε
άσπροι και σέρτικοι καπνοί σε καταπίνουνε
σε καλντερίμια ξενυχτάς υγρά λιθόστρωτα
στου πληρωμένου παραδείσου την αυλόπορτα

Τόσα δίνω πόσα θες
στα λαδάδικα πουλάν αυτό που θες
κάθε κάμαρα κελί
με βαριά παλικαρίσια αναπνοή

Μύριες χαμένες μοναξιές με σένα σμίγανε
φεύγαν καράβια μα πριν φύγουν σου σφυρίζανε
πόσα παιδιά ήρθαν να βρουν το αντριλίκι τους
και σου ακουμπήσανε δειλά το χαρτζηλίκι τους

Τόσα δίνω πόσα θες
στα λαδάδικα πουλάν αυτό που θες
κάθε κάμαρα κελί
με βαριά παλικαρίσια αναπνοή
Τόσα δίνω πόσα θες
στα λαδάδικα πουλάν αυτό που θες
κάθε κάμαρα κελί
με βαριά παλικαρίσια αναπνοή


Thank you in advance .

Originally Posted by Mpoumpou

Geia sou re paides ,

Thank you in advance .

Ya sou ke sena, Mpoumpou mou ... !!! ...


Long "time" ... no "hear" ...

AND, ... lovely to "see" you ... !!! ...


Here it is ... an "attempt" on ... "touching" ... the "Great" Dimitris Mitropanos ... !!! ...
... an "interpretation" of sorts ... ... ... !!! ... ... ...



Azim

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Τα λαδάδικα
THE GREASY SITES


Στίχοι: Φίλιππος Γράψας (verse : Philippos Grapsas)
Μουσική: Μάριος Τόκας (music : Marios Tokas)


Σε συζητάν δίχως γιατί και όχι άδικα
"THEY" ARE "DISCUSSING" (TALKING ABOUT) YOU, WITHOUT REASON AND NOT UNJUSTLY
όπως κοιμάσαι στα στενά παλιά λαδάδικα
THE WAY YOU "SLEEP" IN NARROW, OLD GREASY SITES
έγινες φήμη και γι αυτό δε φυλακίζεσαι
YOU BECAME "RENOWNED" AND THAT IS WHY YOU ARE NOT IMPRISONED
ζεις στο σκοτάδι παστρικά μα δεν ορκίζεσαι
YOU LIVE IN DARKNESS "CLEANLY", BUT YOU DO NOT "VOW"

Λάμπεις στα κόκκινα σατέν που σε τυλίγουνε
YOU "SHINE" IN "RED SATIN" THAT ENFOLD YOU
άσπροι και σέρτικοι καπνοί σε καταπίνουνε
"WHITE" AND "STRONG" (TOBACCO) SMOKES ARE ENGULFING YOU
σε καλντερίμια ξενυχτάς υγρά λιθόστρωτα
ON FLAGSTONES YOU "STAY UP" (TILL ALL HOURS), COBBLED STREETS
στου πληρωμένου παραδείσου την αυλόπορτα
ON "PARADISE PAID", ITS GARDEN GATE

Τόσα δίνω πόσα θες
"I OFFER THIS MUCH, HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT"
στα λαδάδικα πουλάν αυτό που θες
AT GREASY SITES, THEY "SELL" WHAT (IT IS) YOU WANT
κάθε κάμαρα κελί
EVERY "CHAMBER", A "CELL"
με βαριά παλικαρίσια αναπνοή
WITH (A) HEAVY, METTLESOME BREATH

Μύριες χαμένες μοναξιές με σένα σμίγανε
INNUMERABLE, LOST LONELINESSES, WITH (IN) YOU WERE MINGLING
φεύγαν καράβια μα πριν φύγουν σου σφυρίζανε
SHIPS WERE LEAVING BUT, BEFORE THEY LEAVE, (THEY) WERE HOOTING YOU
πόσα παιδιά ήρθαν να βρουν το αντριλίκι τους
HOW MANY KIDS CAME TO "FIND" THEIR "MANHOOD"
και σου ακουμπήσανε δειλά το χαρτζηλίκι τους
AND "REPOSED" ON YOU TIMIDLY, THEIR "POCKET MONEY"

Τόσα δίνω πόσα θες
"I OFFER THIS MUCH, HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT"
στα λαδάδικα πουλάν αυτό που θες
AT GREASY SITES, THEY "SELL" WHAT (IT IS) YOU WANT
κάθε κάμαρα κελί
EVERY "CHAMBER", A "CELL"
με βαριά παλικαρίσια αναπνοή
WITH (A) HEAVY, METTLESOME BREATH


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Hey guys.

AZIM: Great Translation.

Here is my 2 cents on this:

I believe that by "Ladadika" Mitropanos is refering to a neighborhood in Thessaloniki where in the old days it was frequented by prostitutes (and it actually held many brothels).

Here is an article that describes "Ladadika" today and also makes a brief reference to the "old" Ladadika.

Greek Food Galore » TravelBlog Archive » Wanderingly Mindlessly

Hope this helps to better make sense of this song.

Cheers,
Sakis.

yeap sakis all of what you said is true and if you go, know its full of clubs and bars and restaurants and whatever you want, in whichever colour you want(that's the part I didn't liked that much).
And practically the song talks entirely about the prostitutes of Ladadika and not of how Ladadika is today. And the days prostitutes were there are not so old (immagine that Mitropanos was if I'm not mistaken a teenager and he cannot be over 70)

Originally Posted by tzina772000

yeap sakis all of what you said is true and if you go, know its full of clubs and bars and restaurants and whatever you want, in whichever colour you want(that's the part I didn't liked that much).
And practically the song talks entirely about the prostitutes of Ladadika and not of how Ladadika is today. And the days prostitutes were there are not so old (immagine that Mitropanos was if I'm not mistaken a teenager and he cannot be over 70)

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I "aspire" to ... "offer" ... an "interpretation" ... that would be ... "under-stood" ... by "MANY" ... ... ...


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Hey Guys.

TZINA: Great points!!! It is essential to provide such information to better support the story that the singer/song writter is trying to say. Thank you for the insight

AZIM: Keep up the good work

Thank you Azimut mouuuuu :PpPpP

I liked a lot your translation !!!!! Yes, long time no hear ....:-( I had some exams at the beginning of january . Now , i have a litle bit more free time.

Well, i dont know how Ladadika was in the past ....( maybe i should ask my grand parents about ) but i know Ladadika now and I really like a lot. hmmm I love Thessaloniki in general I have never thought a human can fall in love with a city but ..... I love Thessaloniki mou and i feel sth special in my heart every time i go there

see u guys
Mpoumpou

hey sakiss, i have just visited the site u gave us ! great ! Thessaloniki = delicious ! Thessaloniki = a little piece of jewellery

So.....how do you really feel about Thessaloniki??? )

I know it's a beautiful city and I am planning on making it one of my destinations next time I am home.

Originally Posted by Mpoumpou

Thank you Azimut mouuuuu :PpPpP

I liked a lot your translation !!!!! Yes, long time no hear .... I had some exams at the beginning of january . Now , i have a litle bit more free time.

Well, i dont know how Ladadika was in the past ....( maybe i should ask my grand parents about ) but i know Ladadika now and I really like a lot. hmmm I love Thessaloniki in general I have never thought a human can fall in love with a city but ..... I love Thessaloniki mou and i feel sth special in my heart every time i go there

see u guys
Mpoumpou

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There are a "few" ... "cities" ... in the "world" that I "feel" ... THAT ... way, too ... so, yes !!! ... I am more than "able" to "appreciate" your "words", Mpoumpou mou ... !!! ... !!! ...


... and, my very best "wishes" for your ... "studies" ... !!! ... !!! ... !!! ...


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Azim

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my mom`s from Thessaloniki . I ve never lived there but i feel it as it was MY town. It is something which cannot be explained . When i walk in the streets of Saloniki i feel a sort of joy , peace , satisfaction. i need to be nowhere else ....

uffff im in France now and i really miss Greece and Saloniki in particular :-(

Where do u live in Greece , Sakiss? :P

Thanks Azimut !
Which are the cities that make you feel this way ? :P

I know the feeling....get the same when I am in Patras (my hometown). Now I am in Miami, USA. Hoping to be back for Pasxa

Where in France are you? I spent/worked about 6 months a couple of years ago in St. Nazair. Absolutely beautiful!!!

Be Well,
Sakis.

Great translation
except
Παλικαρίσια = young man's (laddish)
I agree that Λαδάδικα refers to the neighbourhood, and of course the song is about a prostitute.
It's one of my favourite songs!

Originally Posted by onos78

Great translation
except
Παλικαρίσια = young man's (laddish)
I agree that Λαδάδικα refers to the neighbourhood, and of course the song is about a prostitute.
It's one of my favourite songs!

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hahahahahahahaha

You are so "funny", re onos re !!! ... !!!


mettlesome [métt’lsəm]
adj
spirited and courageous


Nice "try", by the way ... !!! ...


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Originally Posted by sakiss

I know the feeling....get the same when I am in Patras (my hometown). Now I am in Miami, USA. Hoping to be back for Pasxa

Where in France are you? I spent/worked about 6 months a couple of years ago in St. Nazair. Absolutely beautiful!!!

Be Well,
Sakis.

hey sakiss you are a proud Patrinos and you write like that Patra in the location???
And I was trying to figure out what was that, but I thought it was some village

Tzina:

You don't know where PATAS is??????? Is the best city in the world!!!!!

hhahahahaahah.............oooooooooooopppsssssssss ss.

I am changing it as we speak Thank you for pointing it out

Sakis the Proud Patinos

Re Azimut,
You are right. I originally read it as "meddlesome". Mettlesome is quite a nice word actually, too-rarely used which is too bad. Sorry for questioning your translation ability. But it's just not the same as the original when there doesn't exist the right word to stand in for palikarisia...anyway mettlesome is as good as it gets but you still need the image of a young man in there.
Filika,
Onos (yee-haw)

Originally Posted by onos78

Re Azimut,
You are right. I originally read it as "meddlesome". Mettlesome is quite a nice word actually, too-rarely used which is too bad. Sorry for questioning your translation ability. But it's just not the same as the original when there doesn't exist the right word to stand in for palikarisia...anyway mettlesome is as good as it gets but you still need the image of a young man in there.
Filika,
Onos (yee-haw)

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I "heard" you the "first" time ... !!! LOL LOL LOL !!! ...


... "allow" me to "elaborate" this to you ... ... ...


παλικάρι - παλικάρια
noun
"dauntless", "valiant" "young lad/s"


παλικαρίσια
adjective (= a "word" that "qualifies" a "noun")
... "mettlesome"


in the "phrase" ... με βαριά παλικαρίσια αναπνοή ...

the "noun" that is "qualified" is ... "αναπνοή"

the "adjectives" that "qualify" the "noun" are ... "βαριά" and "παλικαρίσια"

therefore

WITH (A) HEAVY, METTLESOME BREATH



You "see" it now ... "perhaps" ... ?!? ...


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Very good breakdown and analysis of the grammar. I'm too amateur to think about these details. I guess I was stubborn. What else do you expect from an ono?