Learning Maghreb dialect

[larosa]

hey guys,i saw that many members are interested in learning,morrocan,algerian and tunisian dialects,and what we call Rai music,so i decided to open this thread for them,so anybody who needs help,we're here to help and answer your questions,so feel free whenever you want

cordially

[VivaPalestina]

Thank you sweetie

ELEEF - mashi!! you promised to open up an algerian thread...pfff hay Rosa saba2tik!!

[CZAREK2581]

Thank you sweetie

ELEEF - mashi!! you promised to open up an algerian thread...pfff hay Rosa saba2tik!!

Is this thread only for MA or all North dialects?
Great , now we can focus more on dialects which seem to be a bit difficult even for native speakers of Arabic language.

But plz if anyone wants to be our teacher ,we need to start from the scratch

[VivaPalestina]

I think its for all north african dialects Czarek

[larosa]

yeah,all north african guys
me or ELEEF it doesn't matte,although we miss her
any way i hope some native speakers could join us too

[larosa]

i'll be in charge for tunisian accent so let me know if there is something you want to know about ok??

[VivaPalestina]

No subhannalah I spoke to her yesterday and she was like oh I promised someone I would start an algerian thread....so inti saba2tiha 3omrik a6wal min 3omra I miss her too the dibe (basle!!)

Well for now you can teach us everything Until another native volunteers

[CZAREK2581]

No subhannalah I spoke to her yesterday and she was like oh I promised someone I would start an algerian thread....so inti saba2tiha 3omrik a6wal min 3omra I miss her too the dibe (basle!!)

Well for now you can teach us everything Until another native volunteers

Yes but lets start from the scratch

No1.General Indications (here i would like to know a differences in prononcuation Tunisian letters
if they are any?Maybe any additional that you use

No2.We should start from "Greetings " .So please give as a short dialog and the most usefull phrases

No.3Interrogative Particles (All this words "when ,how etc)

No.4Personal Pronouns (I ,you,etc

No5.Possession(like ي,ك,ه,هاattached to any noun)

No6.Some basic verbs

To accept


To advise


To answer


To appear


To appologize


To ask (a question)


To ask (for something)


To attend


To be born


To be late


To borrow


To break


To breathe


To bring


To buy


To change


To choose


To clean


To close


To comb



To come


To concentrate


To congratulate


To cough



To count


To cry


To curse


To cut


To dance

To dare



Hope it is enough for now

[larosa]

i'll start with some daily tunisian expressions

salem/salut/3asléma=hi,hello
ech na7welkom=how are you ?(all)
bikech??=are you ok?
3leh=why?
kifeh=how?
win/fin=where?
wa9teh=when
behi=ok
momken/belik/belikchi=maybe
kif ma t7eb=as you like
same7ni=forgive me
twa77achtek=i miss you
kif kif=it's the same
barra=go
ija=come
walla=or
barka=just,only
bit=a room
dar=a house
7anoot=store
tarres=young boy
mahbool=crazy
naggaz=jump
ma7lool=open
msakkar=closed

[VivaPalestina]

You forgot barsha

[larosa]

No1.General Indications :may be the tunisian language may seem hard to you ,i mean some of people accuse us of speaking quickly and not prnouncing very well,that is the first impression and then with time you'll get used to hear it,and the fact that we seem to speak quickly is that we are influenced by our barbarian(amazigh) heritage ,that's why i guess,in fact many little groups in north tunisia called (9bayel) still speak this language (barbarian)
so we use the same letters,we don't have special ones

[CZAREK2581]

No1.General Indications :may be the tunisian language may seem hard to you ,i mean some of people accuse us of speaking quickly and not prnouncing very well,that is the first impression and then with time you'll get used to hear it,and the fact that we seem to speak quickly is that we are influenced by our barbarian(amazigh) heritage ,that's why i guess,in fact many little groups in north tunisia called (9bayel) still speak this language (barbarian)
so we use the same letters,we don't have special ones

Great these informations are very usefull,

Keep going Larosa

[VivaPalestina]

Poor Larosa, you dont have to do them all at one time

[larosa]

No2."Greetings "

here is a dialogue between two people

-3asléma//hello
-ti 3asléma! winek hal ghiba 3andi barcha ma choftékchi !labes??//hi,where have you been ?it's been so long i haven't seen you,you're fine?
-labes ,el 7amdillah,hani nas2al 3lik //i'm fine thank god,i'm askin about you
-hani 7atta eni labes,ch3amla mela,win 7ayyek??//i'm fine too,so how are you doing??what's up?
-wallah chay hani mil khedma leddar we medar lel khedma wenti?//nothing actually,i'm from work to home and from home to work and you?

-chna7wel darkom?=how is your family?
-chna7wel wledik,=ho are your kids?
-chna7wel martek=how is your wife
-chna7wel rajlek=how is your husband??

[larosa]

You forgot barsha

loool,we used so much that we forgot it exists looool
barcha=yesser=3al e5er=fi 7ala....

[VivaPalestina]

I thought barsha meant aktar? Like more? Ya3ni in sabir roba3i's song when he goes barsha barsha what is he saying?

[larosa]

No.4Personal Pronouns

I=ena
you=enti
he=howa
she=hiya
it=hiya/howa
we=a7na/na7na
you=ntooma
they=hooma

[larosa]

I thought barsha meant aktar? Like more? Ya3ni in sabir roba3i's song when he goes barsha barsha what is he saying?

barcha barcha means=a lot,a lot
aktar=akthar

[VivaPalestina]

You're too generous sweetie Im afraid the chorus was the only bit I understood properly But I, unlike Czarek, am willing to embaras myself all in the name of education So here is my terrible attempt:



ana el ghaltan machi enti
I'm the one at fault not you
ana elli aachaktek machakti
I'm the one that loved you not you
ana elli oufit ou ghdarti,
I'm the one that was faithful, you betrayed
ana el ghaltan machi enti
I'm the one at fault not you

Rezki:
aayit lek saber goult maalich,
I've ran out of patience
balek ghadoua ya dik rabbi,
You cant be trusted --
oundir klima aala balich
I told you everything on my mind
oundess elkiya fi galbi.
And you threw it in my heart
Kich nehdar ouech ngoul,
What can I do but say
chella hadra elskat khyar,
Let me stay quiet its better
tal sabri dawni lhmoum,
My patience has been stretched
ah wel galb sayer yetammar
And my heart has become destroyed


Rezki:
ou fiya diri elli tebghi diri ou siri a lalla,
You can go round all you want,
deja elak yemssini alik,
---
jitek aachek ounti la,
I came to you as a lover, but you didnt
mehma diri tebki elli,
No matter how much you turn, you're mine
galbi houaha pour toujours,
My heart is ---(french)
bouk jani dellali,
Your dad came and guided me
nehouak ouen zid jusq'a la mort
I loved you and forgot ---
Refrein...

Rezki:
dert ha li la donnaissance oul galb el hessas ermani
I went around --- and the sensitive heart was thrown
bin el aachk ou la souffrance hetta elli goult ana berkani,
You want love and ---- even I said ---
berkani ouek j'ai pas de chance,
Lucky me for this chance
ermaak el baida rani naani,
The white threw you
ca sera mieux nkiss lek la liance,
----
nehlef jamais naachak tani...
I promise I wont love you again



Aaaaah rasi!! My heard hurts, I feel like I'm trying to understand german!! I understood nothing except the chorus!!

[larosa]

that was a little harsh for you sweety but don't care,you're still a beginner,there were a lots of franch word

BTW=dir,ydir... doesn't mean to turn around,it means"to do"

french words are with stars

aayit lek saber goult maalich,
i asked you to be patient,you said "never mind"
balek ghadoua ya dik rabbi,
maybe tomorrow Allah guides to the good way (yehdik)
oundir klima aala balich
and i act like i don't care
oundess elkiya fi galbi.
and i press on the hurt in my heart
Kich nehdar ouech ngoul,
what am i saying and what i am speaking about?
chella hadra elskat khyar,
what's speaking is about,quite is better
tal sabri dawni lhmoum,
My patience has been stretched
ah wel galb sayer yetammar
my heart is getting overloaded



Rezki:
ou fiya diri elli tebghi diri ou siri a lalla,
do whatever you want,go on and do it honey
deja elak yemssini alik,
already ,nothing can make me hate you
jitek aachek ounti la,
i came to you as a lover and you didn't love me
mehma diri tebki elli,
no matter how much you cry
galbi houaha pour toujours*,
My heart love you forever
bouk jani dellali,
Your dad came and (blamed me)
nehouak ouen zid jusq'a la mort*
i love you and i love you more,till death

Rezki:
dert ha li la donnaissance* oul galb el hessas ermani
i got to know here and my sensual heart threw me
bin el aachk ou la souffrance* hetta elli goult ana berkani,
between love and suffering,until i said "i've had enough"
berkani ouek j'ai pas de chance,*
enough,i don'thave luck with you
ermaak el baida rani naani,
with you (the white) i suffer
ca sera mieux *nkiss lek la liance,*
it woulf be better if i cut the link
nehlef jamais* naachak tani...
i swear i will never love again