Learning Greek language

[geomac]

κανένα;

[geomac]

in the song ,,Άσε με να βρω τον εαυτό μου" of Pasxalis Trezis, translation is:

μ' έκανες κι άλλαξα = you’ve changed me
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μ' έκανες κι άλλαξα = μ' έκανες να αλλάξω = you’ve changed me= you made me change myself = you caused me change myself?

[kmmy]

buna se pare ca nativii greci sunt ocupati si nu prea mai dau p forum
uite cum as traduce eu asta.. nush daca e corect dar.. asa mi se pare mie ca ar fi:
μ' έκανες κι άλλαξα = m-ai facut (m-ai provocat) si m-am schimbat
μ' έκανες να αλλάξω = m-ai facut sa ma schimb

[geomac]

buna! asa e ! ne-au lasat sa ne chinuim singuri grecii astia, te lasa cand ti-e lumea mai draga

μ' έκανες να αλλάξω = m-ai facut sa ma schimb de acord, asta nu e greu de tradus

μ' έκανες κι άλλαξα = m-ai facut (m-ai provocat) si m-am schimbat aici ma gandisem si eu ca μ' έκανες ar putea insemna ce spui tu (m-ai facut,m-ai provocat,m-ai corupt,m-ai convins,m-ai sedus,m-ai dat gata) dar sa vedem ce spun si grecii ; ar fi frumos sa ai dreptate - asa cum spui tu ar avea mai mult sens folosirea diferita a celor doua variante; grecul care a tradus versul insa a tradus μ' έκανες κι άλλαξα = you’ve changed me ; am mai vazut patternul asta cu ,,ki/kai + aorist indicativ" fara ,,m'ekanes" si era tradus cu subjonctivul; sper ca astazi un nativ grec sa spuna odata adevarul gol-golut

[geomac]

Finally , I would make these translations:

μ' έκανες κι άλλαξα = you made me (be) changed ( you have changed me) - the action of ,,change" is finished and it refers only to the past.

μ' έκανες να αλλάξω = you made me change (but not so strong) - the action of ,,change" may be in the past, in the present or in the future, but just one time.

μ' έκανες να αλλάζω = you made me /be changing / change - the action of ,,change" is ongoing/repeated (it may be in the past + present + future , as it is continuous)

[geomac]

Originally Posted by kmmy

buna se pare ca nativii greci sunt ocupati si nu prea mai dau p forum
uite cum as traduce eu asta.. nush daca e corect dar.. asa mi se pare mie ca ar fi:
μ' έκανες κι άλλαξα = m-ai facut (m-ai provocat) si m-am schimbat
μ' έκανες να αλλάξω = m-ai facut sa ma schimb

as traduce :

μ' έκανες κι άλλαξα = ma facusi (m-ai facut) de ma schimbai
μ' έκανες να αλλάξω = m-ai facut sa ma schimb
μ' έκανες να αλλάζω = m-ai facut de ma schimb

in engleza nu e utilizata nici o prepozitie/conjunctie ,, you made me (be) changed

parerea mea e ca grecii folosesc aici pt. trecutul simplu conjuntia ,,kai/ki" , noi folosim ,,de" iar englezii nimic.

diferenta dintre cele 2 forme e ca ,,κι άλλαξα" vrea sa spunna ca procesul de schimbare e clar incheiat in timp ce ,,να αλλάξω" e mai slab, procesul de schimbare a avut loc dar poate fi trecator... ; in al treilea rand,, να αλλάζω" e un proces continuu care poate fi abia la inceput dar se poate opri la un moment dat...deci e si mai slab...

uf, acu cred ca inteleg dar e asa de greu de explicat cu exactitate; si oricum in functie de context fiecare din cele 3 forme de mai sus poate avea la randul ei variante diferite...

[geomac]

other examples:

μ'έκανες και σ΄αγάπησα = you made me loved you
( romanian - ma facusi de te iubii)

μ' έκανες και έκλαψα = you made me cried
(romanian - ma facusi de plansei)

[geomac]

μ'έκανες και σαγάπησα = you made me loved you
μ'έκανες να σ'αγαπήσω = you made me love you
μ'έκανες να σ'αγαπάω = you made me love you (continuous/repeated)

I think the last 2 examples have different meanings depending on context.

[kmmy]

woooooow :O:O nu m-as fi gandit niciodata la ma facusi de te iubi.. dar auzi... dupa parerea mea e aceasi cu m-ai facut sa te iubesc.. doar k primu e un regionalism sau cv in genu ... sory dk nu e asa

[geomac]

intr-adevar, in zilele noastre multe si-au pierdut sensul si iata ca si in limba romana ce odata era diferit astazi e la fel!

de exemplu : trecutul simplu si ,,prezent" perfect; in limba romana prezentul perfect nu mai e prezent ci e de-a dreptul timp trecut.
ce vreau sa spun: de ex. verbul a lua:

trecutul simplu (in Oltenia e folosit) - eu luai

e totuna cu ,,prezent" perfect - eu am luat - care de fapt in zilele noastre e folosit ca un timp trecut in limba romana

[geomac]

I'm thinking of this issue and no greek help me...

Με έκανες και πήγα στο θέατρο χθες = ( action in the past)

Με έκανες να πάω στο θέατρο την επόμενη Κυριακή = (action in the future)

Με έκανες να πηγαίνω στο θέατρο κάθε Κυριακή = ( action continuous (past, present and future))

[maria_gr]

What is exactly your question?

[geomac]

maria, thank you for your concern but I guess I found the response now

First I thought that μ'έκανες κι άλλαξα = μ'έκανες να αλλάξω

This was my question. But after thinking and searching for clarifying this issue, now I think these may have slightly different meanings.

Thank you

[maria_gr]

Well you are right, those frases have a different meaning.

Let's take the first one
- Με έπεισες και πήγα στο αεροδρόμιο = You convinced me and I went to the airport
It's a fact, it's done. I went to the airport
- Μ' έπεισες να πάω στο αεροδρόμιο = You convinced me to go to the airport
He convinced me but I haven't gone to the airport yet

So you got that right! The first one talks about an action that has been already completed, while the second talks about that hasn't completed yet.
Well done geomac, you're doing great.

[geomac]

Wow !!! Thank you so much , maria !!! I needed a confirmation from a specialist in greek language

Kali sou nixta! kai onira glika !

[Dangerous & Moving]

Hello guys! Again I came to bother you for a bit
I need this text to be written in greek alphabet. The thing is that I'm doing audio lessons and I don't know how to write all of it, in this text for example I know a lot but again not everything so I'll be grateful if you help me.
And pls write numbers with letters too, thanks in advance. Here's the text:

-Kosta!
-Nai,ti thelete?
-Tha ithela na agoraso kati
-Ah, ti tha thelate na agorasete?
-Tha ithela na agoraso ligo krasi
-Poso kani?
-500 drahmes
-500 drahmes? Einai 2 dolaria, den einai poli akriva
-Tote, doste mou merika levta?
-Entaksei, oriste 60 drahmes, einai arketes?
-Nai, einai arketes, ke ego eho merika levta
evharisto Kosta!

[maria_gr]

Originally Posted by Dangerous & Moving

Hello guys! Again I came to bother you for a bit
I need this text to be written in greek alphabet. The thing is that I'm doing audio lessons and I don't know how to write all of it, in this text for example I know a lot but again not everything so I'll be grateful if you help me.
And pls write numbers with letters too, thanks in advance. Here's the text:

-Kosta!
-Κώστα!
-Nai,ti thelete?
-Ναι, τι θέλετε;
-Tha ithela na agoraso kati
-Θα ήθελα να αγοράσω κάτι
-Ah, ti tha thelate na agorasete?
-Αχ, τι θα θέλατε να αγοράσετε;
-Tha ithela na agoraso ligo krasi
-Θα ήθελα να αγοράσω λίγο κρασί
-Poso kani?
-Πόσο κάνει;
-500 drahmes
-Πεντακόσιες δραχμές
-500 drahmes? Einai 2 dolaria, den einai poli akriva
-Πεντακόσιες δραχμές; Είναι δύο δολάρια, δεν είναι πολύ ακριβά
-Tote, doste mou merika levta?
-Τότε, δώστε μου μερικά λεφτά;
-Entaksei, oriste 60 drahmes, einai arketes?
-Εντάξει, ορίστε εξήντα δραχμές, είναι αρκετές;
-Nai, einai arketes, ke ego eho merika levta
-Ναι, είναι αρκετές, και εγώ έχω μερικά λεφτά
evharisto Kosta!
Ευχαριστώ Κώστα!

[Dangerous & Moving]

Ευχαριστώ πολύ Μαρία!

[maria_gr]

You're welcome