Miscellaneous (not lyrics) Greek <-> English Translations

[Amandarenee]

it means...if you want a song translated...this is not the proper thread for that.
they can translate short phrases and such...but if you want grammatical lessons in greek...there is another thread for that too...they can tell you what things mean or how to say things...but not go over all the finite grammatical points with you.

[Amandarenee]

Are you sure he's not from Northern Cyprus?



Lol....are you asking if he is a Turk?? I am quite certain he is not...yes!

[pena_vie]

hi...could somebody help me??
"kano oneira trela.."
thanks a lot... =)

[panselinos]

Originally Posted by Amandarenee

Lol....are you asking if he is a Turk?? I am quite certain he is not...yes!

Just asking. His Greek is quite odd. The lines above didn't make much sense. Besides, you won't hear a Greek use the verbal form "lego" in informal conversation... Unless he reads the Bible.

Originally Posted by pena_vie

hi...could somebody help me??
"kano oneira trela.."
thanks a lot... =)

"I dream wild dreams"

[Zvezda]

Originally Posted by jayoh90

Se skeftome oli tin ora ke den mporo makria sou

"I think of you all the time and I can't stand being away from you"
unless of course that was meant to be a message for maria (thread starter)

[pena_vie]

thanks a lot, panselinos.. ^^

[Amandarenee]

[quote=panselinos;440281]Just asking. His Greek is quite odd. The lines above didn't make much sense. Besides, you won't hear a Greek use the verbal form "lego" in informal conversation... Unless he reads the Bible.

giggle...he must read the bible then...cause he refers to turks as murderous...and has strong disliking there
besides he definately looks all greek...

[jms_grec]

"me skotoses ksana" english pls..pls..pls

[catherini]

You killed me again

[panselinos]

Originally Posted by Amandarenee

giggle...he must read the bible then
besides he definately looks all greek...

I don't think many people are into Koine these days.
Then again, some people would put gamma in certain words just to show they've read Plato or Thucydides.

Yes, there still are some Ancient Greek words in the Cypriot dialect. For instance, Cypriots say "afto", we say "anavo"; they say "kammo (ta mmathkia)", we say "klino ta matia"; they say "pirono", we say "zesteno". But they don't use "lego". They say "lalo", which is an ancient word too, although in Modern Greek it's meaning has changed from "speak" to "crow" (as in "rooster's crow"). /Oi kokores laloun, laleite ki eseis; lol /
By the way, they use also "zorlis", "kkelle", "rezilin", "hairin" and so forth.

Why, he's got a head and a nose perhaps? This is the Balkans. We all look alike, whether we like it or not. But that's a complicated, centuries-long story.

And no, I'm not saying anything. I just drew an inference about the language, based on the examples you provided.

[jayoh90]

Agapi mou, pote then tha katalavis ti ise gia mena. Ise to alpha kai to omega mou. Ise o aeras pou anapneo

[panselinos]

Originally Posted by jayoh90

Agapi mou, pote then tha katalavis ti ise gia mena. Ise to alpha kai to omega mou. Ise o aeras pou anapneo

"My love, you will never understand what you mean to me. You're my alpha and my omega. You're the air that I breathe."

[_Annaa]

Hello!

How do u say
"Im saying goodmorning to you, hey hey" in Greek?
thanks in advance Xx

[Zvezda]

Originally Posted by _Annaa

Hello!

How do u say
"Im saying goodmorning to you, hey hey" in Greek?
thanks in advance Xx

is that a swedish/finnish "hei hei" ? If so then it's bye so you could say "Sou leo kalimera, gia sou".

Originally Posted by panselinos

Yes, there still are some Ancient Greek words in the Cypriot dialect. For instance, Cypriots say "afto", we say "anavo"; they say "kammo (ta mmathkia)", we say "klino ta matia"; they say "pirono", we say "zesteno". But they don't use "lego". They say "lalo", which is an ancient word too, although in Modern Greek it's meaning has changed from "speak" to "crow" (as in "rooster's crow"). /Oi kokores laloun, laleite ki eseis; lol /
By the way, they use also "zorlis", "kkelle", "rezilin", "hairin" and so forth.

Actually Cypriot is not the only Greek dialect to contain many classical Greek elements, Cretan does as well, maybe even more.

Originally Posted by panselinos

Why, he's got a head and a nose perhaps? This is the Balkans. We all look alike, whether we like it or not. But that's a complicated, centuries-long story.

I do not think this is true. Most Albanians look nothing like the Greeks for example, and neither do the slavs. I can always tell a slav by their forehead. Greeks look more like the Italians of the south and the Spaniards/portuguese. Nations still have their own physical characteristics, although I personally would find a mix very desirable.

[panselinos]

Originally Posted by Zvezda

Actually Cypriot is not the only Greek dialect to contain many classical Greek elements, Cretan does as well, maybe even more.

I never said it was the only one. =) There's Pontiaka, Tsakonika (Doric)...
Modern Cypriot evolves from the Arcado-Cypriot dialect. Yes, it has preserved some of the Alexandrian Koine words, but it also contains many loanwords from Venetian, Provencal, Turkish and English. It's a really fascinating and variegated dialect - like a beautiful patchwork quilt. I looove it. =))

Originally Posted by Zvezda

Most Albanians look nothing like the Greeks for example, and neither do the slavs. I can always tell a slav by their forehead. Greeks look more like the Italians of the south and the Spaniards/portuguese. Nations still have their own physical characteristics, although I personally would find a mix very desirable.

Can you really? No offence, but I seriously doubt that. "Slav" is a linguistic term, but hardly an ethnic one. It has come to embrace a multitude of ethnically diverse peoples, speaking cognate languages, nothing more.

We've been living together for centuries, for thousands of years like. There were different dominions, empires, crusades, borders have changed many times... I'll have to disappoint the jingoists, but we're "mongrels" beyond all recognition. lol Yesterday certain lands were in Bulgaria, today they are in Greece and Serbia; others were in Romania, today they're in Bulgaria...
The people from Northern Greece and Southern Bulgaria are completely alike, have one and the same folklore and traditions - nobody elsewhere has anastenarides, for instance. The same goes to all other border areas. The closer to the Ioanian Pelagos you go, the stronger the Italian resemble grows. Been there, seen that.

All these lead us to history, but I'm so not gonna go there. Let's stay in the present. "Remember your humanity, and forget the rest".

P.S. There's genetics, halpogroups and all, but I'm too tired to search for information right now.

[Koukla]

With all due respect panselinos, I agree with Zvezda. But I must also say that as a person living both in Turkey and Greece, and been to Italy a lot, I must say Italians look a bit more different than us and I can hardly differentiate a Turk from a Greek. Turk from West/ North and Mediterranean Turkey. I also read somewhere that our DNA is 90% the same. I can understand some people wanna look alike others than Turks but thats what I've seen. My experience.

[panselinos]

Errr... You actually agree with me, Koukla mou. I said that in the Balkans we're more or less alike. Zvezda said this: "Greeks look more like the Italians..."

[Koukla]

But Balkans include Serbs, FYromians (), etc...as well and they are quite spottable in my and Greek society....by their physique

But all in all, I am of the opinion that a Western European cannot easily differentiate us (Mediterraneans and maybe upper Balkans as well)

[panselinos]

A, na to.

According to Dr. Cruciani et al. [11] most Greeks and other Balkan people belong to a specific cluster a within haplogroup E-M78 that is found in lower frequencies outside the Balkans and marks migrations from the Balkan areas not into it. The results show the majority of Greeks belong to a specific cluster of gene pool that is found within the Balkans.

E1b1b is common throughout Europe. Its E1b1b1a2 (E-V13) sub-clade is the most prevalent clade of E-M78 among Europeans, especially in the Balkans where high concentrations are reported amongst Albanians, Greeks, Bulgarians, Romanians, Serbs and FYROM-ians (). Particularly high frequencies have been observed in Kosovar Albanians (45.6%) and Peloponnesian Greeks (47%).
The V13 clade is equivalent to Cruciani et al's (2004) "alpha cluster" and phylogenetic analysis strongly suggest that these lineages have spread through Europe, from the Balkans.

The other half of the Bulgarians are of haplogroup I, along with the Croatians, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Sardinia. Haplogroup J has a moderate presence in central and southern Italy, Greece, and Albania.
J2 - Southern Europe, Turkey. J2b1 (M102) - mainly found in the Balkans, Greece, and Italy.

See? This is the Balkans, even according to the genetics and DNA.

ΥΓ. We're completely off-topic, so let's drop the subject, shall we.
Most of the people here are not Greek, but love the language and the culture; some are married to Greeks and our children are/will be half-blood... and we're happy about it. So the focus should be on our friendship, not on any kind of chauvinism. DNA's and all that jazz are completely off the map, literally.
Celebrating diversity.

[new man]

these theories were very much appreciated by Nazis..You both play this game.
who cares about the DNA of greeks and turks.
problems are in brains

[panselinos]

Άστοχο σχόλιο.
Και επειδή το καταστρέψαμε το thread, θα παρακαλούσα (πάλι) να μην επεκταθούμε. Ευχαριστώ.

[Koukla]

Originally Posted by new man

these theories were very much appreciated by Nazis..You both play this game.
who cares about the DNA of greeks and turks.
problems are in brains

If you have anything useful to say, much appreciated. I am not a Nazi. Living together all those yrs obviously make this happen.

In another thread you accept our cuisines are related and in this you get cocky.

Ela tora.

[Zvezda]

What I do not understand is why everytime there is a discussion about similar things all of a sudden everyone gets tensed. Can we not have a calm discussion were we just exchange opinions? (Rhetorical question ) It's human to wonder about such things and we all have our theories.
I see what panselinos is saying and to a certain degree I agree with it. People in the same geographical areas have similar genes, but I believe this is because they have evolved together. Of course there have been mixed marriages, and of course customs have been adopted on both sides of the border. What I do not believe is that it has happened to as large a scale as panselinos suggests. I put it down to evolution. It is my personal opinion.I might be wrong, to err is human , or you might be wrong, but we can still discuss it, and shake hands at the end of the discussion and part as friends.

I have never had the pleasure of going to Bulgaria but I do see Bulgarian immigrants when I go to Greece, and I have had a Bulgarian lecturer at university and they did not look Greek, sure some of them had dark eyes and hair, but they looked slavic. Maybe I just happened to come across the exception. And to come closer to (my) home, when I go to Ireland I can clearly see that people look irish (not all of them, but I can still see it), and yet they have been living next to the English for centuries and they were too part of the United Kingdom for a very very long time. That is in essence all I am saying, that one can still tell when somebody is irish, russian, finnish and so on, not always, but very often, so still national characteristics are there. I am not saying this is desirable or that it makes a group of people superior to another.

[new man]

It seems that both of you (Mrs Koukla and Mrs Panselinos ) didn't understand my spirit.
I commented on leaving DNA away because we are all brothers.
But όποιος έχει τη μύγα μυγίαζεται

[new man]

Originally Posted by Koukla

If you have anything useful to say, much appreciated. I am not a Nazi. Living together all those yrs obviously make this happen.

In another thread you accept our cuisines are related and in this you get cocky.

Ela tora.

You mean that all you write are useful and my comment was not?
What a way to avoid a proper reply.As for the rest of your reply I couldn't get a meaning.

Yes our cuisines are related but what is the connection to DNA categorizing of people?

[panselinos]

Guys, guys! To a certain degree I agree with all of you. I may disagree with some of the things you say, but I respect your opinion. Yes, Aleko, we're all human beings, and that's the only thing that matters.
So let's drop this please, it's... inane. Eleos. :P

Beer anyone?

[Koukla]

I'd take a beer, thanks honey.

[Zvezda]

I do not drink beer (calorific, no health benefits), but I'd love some red wine if you have any

[Koukla]

I have Tcherga at home, Bulgarian wine.. Cheers.

[Amandarenee]

i haven't got a lot of input on the dna or whatever...I only know that no, my friend is not a turk, he is greek, I don't know a lot about words he uses that in your opinion he would not use as a cypriot, I only know he uses the words i posted, and I wanted a general meaning behind them, I thank you for your responses.
Sorry if i caused you all any irritation in my quest for meaning behind his words

Thanks