Learning Spanish language - Page 8

damarys · 09-21-2008, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dmoney101

yea, i think it is. it sounds like a caribbean word since a lot of Dominicans/Cubans (not as many Puerto Ricans) come from African decent. It's funny, all the Cubans i've ever seen have either been really white, or really black, but never any mestizos haha

Actually, there are quite a few Cuban "mestizos". There is a lot of mixing in Cuba. There are also many Cubans of Chinese or Asian ancestry so some people have a really unique look. Then there are some of us who look Middle Eastern because of ancestry from Southern Spain. You really can't say what a Cuban looks like (we come in all colors, shapes and sizes) but as soon as you hear one... you know it! Oye... chico... eso si que es la pura verdad!

dmoney101 · 09-22-2008, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by damarys

Actually, there are quite a few Cuban "mestizos". There is a lot of mixing in Cuba. There are also many Cubans of Chinese or Asian ancestry so some people have a really unique look. Then there are some of us who look Middle Eastern because of ancestry from Southern Spain. You really can't say what a Cuban looks like (we come in all colors, shapes and sizes) but as soon as you hear one... you know it! Oye... chico... eso si que es la pura verdad!

yea, it's pretty much how dominicans talk, just without as much slang and with less of a jamaican sounding accent. i can pick it up pretty quick :P

xiurell · 09-22-2008, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by damarys

Then there are some of us who look Middle Eastern because of ancestry from Southern Spain.

Which part of Southern Spain? I'm a mix too, my father from Andalucía, my mother from Murcia (both in the South) and me, I was born on the Balearic Island on the Mediterranean Sea.

damarys · 09-22-2008, 05:53 PM

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Which part of Southern Spain? I'm a mix too, my father from Andalucía, my mother from Murcia (both in the South) and me, I was born on the Balearic Island on the Mediterranean Sea.

No clue. Third world communist countries are not big on geneology (they are concerned with other important things, like eating!

). I just know that my dad's family is most likely from northern Spain and my mom's from southern Spain... with some Moroccon (sp?). We lived in Spain for a year when I was a child and found people that looked just like me. I remember thinking I was home. I've been to Andalucia; loved it there.

dmoney101 · 09-22-2008, 06:57 PM

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No clue. Third world communist countries are not big on geneology (they are concerned with other important things, like eating!

).

true, true. i wish Cuba was a free country. It has such a great culture and people. Sucks that some insane tyrant has control over it, and will pass it on to an equally insane tyrant

jandros · 09-22-2008, 08:54 PM

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true, true. i wish Cuba was a free country. It has such a great culture and people.....

Ohhh yes I want to agree so much ... I just spent a week with people from everywhere in the Americas, and ... first, on the subject of Spanish, it was really confusing! ... but in a pleasant way

..... but also, I talked to a Cubano a couple of times, briefly, and now I really want to visit Cuba. But I don't even know where an American can go in Cuba, easily ...?...

dmoney101, gua gua: Yes, last week I saw it in San Juan, a few times, but I wasn't sure what it meant. If you're correct about it, then now I know what it means. Muchas gracias

damarys · 09-22-2008, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jandros

Ohhh yes I want to agree so much ... I just spent a week with people from everywhere in the Americas, and ... first, on the subject of Spanish, it was really confusing! ... but in a pleasant way

..... but also, I talked to a Cubano a couple of times, briefly, and now I really want to visit Cuba. But I don't even know where an American can go in Cuba, easily ...?...

dmoney101, gua gua: Yes, last week I saw it in San Juan, a few times, but I wasn't sure what it meant. If you're correct about it, then now I know what it means. Muchas gracias

If you have dollars, you can go anywhere. The problem is getting there. US citizens are not allowed (?) to travel to Cuba. Of course, people find a way, like through Mexico or Canada. It is a beautiful country. They have a big tourist industry there. Many Europeans vacation there without any difficulty. THe sad part is to see the diachotomy of the very well to do (tourists), with the average Jose (Joe...).

jandros · 09-22-2008, 10:08 PM

Thanks Damarys. You explained why one of my Cuban friends was a little ..... hmmm, vague?

But I believe there are actually 2 places that US citizens can visit, legally. But maybe only for "business" reasons? Yo no sé. Anyway, I'm gonna check on it.

About the Cuban language: I stayed at a hotel in Miami a week ago (and also yesterday), and I walked down the street to find some Cuban food. Found a place very easily, and the menu was posted in the window, but I couldn't read most of it. Problema muy grande. Maybe I just don't know enough about Cuban food? ... but anyway, I had Chinese food instead, because that menu was in English

dmoney101 · 09-22-2008, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jandros

Thanks Damarys. You explained why one of my Cuban friends was a little ..... hmmm, vague?

But I believe there are actually 2 places that US citizens can visit, legally. But maybe only for "business" reasons? Yo no sé. Anyway, I'm gonna check on it.

About the Cuban language: I stayed at a hotel in Miami a week ago (and also yesterday), and I walked down the street to find some Cuban food. Found a place very easily, and the menu was posted in the window, but I couldn't read most of it. Problema muy grande. Maybe I just don't know enough about Cuban food? ... but anyway, I had Chinese food instead, because that menu was in English

i think Cuban food is supposed to be really good. I love torta, but i've heard Torta Cubana ta como un trinquete jaja.

jandros · 09-22-2008, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dmoney101

i think Cuban food is supposed to be really good. I love torta, but i've heard Torta Cubana ta como un trinquete jaja.

... well, maybe it would interesting to try it ... I think!

dmoney101 · 09-22-2008, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jandros

... well, maybe it would interesting to try it ... I think!

i'm down to try anything at least once if a mexican cooks it lol. I've had pig intestine tacos (didn't know it was before i started eating them) and it was one of the best things i've ever eaten. I need to try a torta de lengua soon. heard lengua is some of the best meat

damarys · 09-22-2008, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jandros

Thanks Damarys. You explained why one of my Cuban friends was a little ..... hmmm, vague?

But I believe there are actually 2 places that US citizens can visit, legally. But maybe only for "business" reasons? Yo no sé. Anyway, I'm gonna check on it.

About the Cuban language: I stayed at a hotel in Miami a week ago (and also yesterday), and I walked down the street to find some Cuban food. Found a place very easily, and the menu was posted in the window, but I couldn't read most of it. Problema muy grande. Maybe I just don't know enough about Cuban food? ... but anyway, I had Chinese food instead, because that menu was in English

Cuban food is the food of the gods!!! Nothing is spicy hot (well, not typically). Everything is yummy. You probably didn't understand what it was. Next time you find a good Cuban restaurant, go in and ask them to recommend stuff. Sometimes you can get a sampler. It is a mix of Afro-Asian-Spanish food. The Caribbean islands all eat similarly, but each has its own special twist.

Arroz blanco, frijoles negros, platanos fritos, yuca con mojito, ropa vieja, fricase, lechon asado, croquetas..... and of course, a nice frosty malta. I must stop... I'm getting hungry!

jandros · 09-22-2008, 11:03 PM

Torta de lengua! Well, yes, and I'm from a very old-fashioned family (grew up on a farm) and I've eaten every part of the pig, cerdo, carne de cerdo. Pero, si te gusta el cerdo, hay tambien la cabra

... the goat ... ¡La cabra asada, como la barbacoa, es muy delicioso!

jandros · 09-22-2008, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by damarys

....Arroz blanco, frijoles negros, platanos fritos, yuca con mojito, ropa vieja, fricase, lechon asado, croquetas..... and of course, a nice frosty malta. I must stop... I'm getting hungry!

I quoted your Spanish because this is a "Spanish language" thread

..... but you're teasing me really bad!! Yes, please stop!!!

dmoney101 · 09-22-2008, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by damarys

Cuban food is the food of the gods!!! Nothing is spicy hot (well, not typically). Everything is yummy. You probably didn't understand what it was. Next time you find a good Cuban restaurant, go in and ask them to recommend stuff. Sometimes you can get a sampler. It is a mix of Afro-Asian-Spanish food. The Caribbean islands all eat similarly, but each has its own special twist.

Arroz blanco, frijoles negros, platanos fritos, yuca con mojito, ropa vieja, fricase, lechon asado, croquetas..... and of course, a nice frosty malta. I must stop... I'm getting hungry!

yea, my friend told me that caribbean food (Cuban and Dominican) was ranked #1 out of all the hispanic countries. I know i love dominican foods- fish, seafood, fruits, peppers, all that type of stuff, and i'm sure Cuban is just as good. Too bad we don't have any Caribbean restaurants in my area, i'd have to get a job there jaja

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Originally Posted by jandros

Torta de lengua! Well, yes, and I'm from a very old-fashioned family (grew up on a farm) and I've eaten every part of the pig, cerdo, carne de cerdo. Pero, si te gusta el cerdo, hay tambien la cabra

... the goat ... ¡La cabra asada, como la barbacoa, es muy delicioso!

what's the word for pig intestines? my friend ordered when i got it, so i have no clue what it was, but the next time i go to a taqueria i wanna get it again

jandros · 09-22-2008, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dmoney101

...what's the word for pig intestines?...

Hehe, I won't even try it!

damarys · 09-23-2008, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by dmoney101

what's the word for pig intestines? my friend ordered when i got it, so i have no clue what it was, but the next time i go to a taqueria i wanna get it again

I'm thinking you are talking about "menudo". It's a soup with tripe in it. All you Mejicanos, favor de correjirme si estoy equivocada

dmoney101 · 09-23-2008, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by damarys

I'm thinking you are talking about "menudo". It's a soup with tripe in it. All you Mejicanos, favor de correjirme si estoy equivocada

no, it was tacos with that in there.
btw, why do people spell Mexico with a J? i read it was spelled like that when Spain had control, but it's been changed since then to an x

jandros · 09-23-2008, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by dmoney101

...btw, why do people spell Mexico with a J?....

I'm sure someone from Spain or Mexico can give a much better answer: But I'm very certain that "x" was in the original spelling, from about 500 years ago. I'm sure it's from the Aztec word "Mexica" or "Mixteca", which relates to one of the many Aztec cities or tribes that were located in the general area of present-day Mexico City.

But I think Citlalli is our best ATL expert about things like this. But she's still away on vacation right now ... when she returns, maybe she will respond more at length about this.

edit: Mextli was the name of the Aztec god of war. More info:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mextli

damarys · 09-23-2008, 09:56 AM

Oops! I didn't even mean to do that! Sorry! It is Mexicanos... I guess I just wrote it phonetically. I really need to read what I type before hitting "Post". My apologies to the entire country of beautiful Mexico!

jandros · 09-23-2008, 10:23 AM

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Oops! I didn't even mean to do that! Sorry!...

Well, if I can say this on behalf of our friends and neighbors in Mexico (and Spain) ... you just mean that some people write the phonetic spelling sometimes, the way it's pronounced? ... writing "j" for the h sound, the letter x ... así, Mejico vs. Mexico ...

But anyway, just in case you need it, I'll help you beg for mercy

.....

Please don't kill Damarys!!!

I'm sure that no harm or offense was intended.

Also I've noticed, in the past, at least one Mexican man that I spoke with a few years ago ... he said the "x" in Mexico with a light "k" sound. But maybe that's regional dialect?

dmoney101 · 09-23-2008, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jandros

I'm sure someone from Spain or Mexico can give a much better answer: But I'm very certain that "x" was in the original spelling, from about 500 years ago. I'm sure it's from the Aztec word "Mexica" or "Mixteca", which relates to one of the many Aztec cities or tribes that were located in the general area of present-day Mexico City.

But I think Citlalli is our best ATL expert about things like this. But she's still away on vacation right now ... when she returns, maybe she will respond more at length about this.

edit: Mextli was the name of the Aztec god of war. More info:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mextli

when Spain took over mexico, it was spelled mejico, but when mexico got their independence back, they renamed it with the x (probably the aztec way to do it like you said)

jandros · 09-23-2008, 10:38 PM

But as I understand Mesoamerican history, there was no nation-state of "Mexico" before the Spaniards arrived ... just scattered tribes of Aztecas, mostly, whose language was apparently rich with the letter "x" ..... so I would think that the "x" is purely of Aztec origin, from the root of the name Mexico ... but maybe I'm completely ignorant about something? ... I've never seen Mexico spelled with a "j" at all, at least not formally .....

But one of the wiki articles that I quoted above says that the actual origin of the name Mexico is still argued, disputed to some degree. So I'm sure that we can't completely solve that question in this topic

But I love the history of mesoamerica, especially because it's still being discovered. I've read that they have only uncovered about 10% of the Aztec, Olmec and Mayan ruins, and other periods. It's amazing to see all of that unfold from year to year, regarding language and other things....

jandros · 09-23-2008, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by damarys

...You really can't say what a Cuban looks like (we come in all colors, shapes and sizes) but as soon as you hear one... you know it! Oye... chico... eso si que es la pura verdad!

I've been learning exactly that over the years

... that there is no single "definition" for the appearance of a Cuban. And yes, the Cuban accent is sooooo recognizable, and I like to hear the differences, it's pleasant!

You're from Cuba? Or your family? Funny coincidence, I'm reading a book right now called "Havana Bay" (Martin Cruz Smith) and last week I cruised within a short distance of the island....

So can you tell me, what does "bolo" mean in Cuban?? I mean as a slur or a name-calling kind of thing? Or should I even use that word in a public forum???

dmoney101 · 09-23-2008, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jandros

I've been learning exactly that over the years

... that there is no single "definition" for the appearance of a Cuban. And yes, the Cuban accent is sooooo recognizable, and I like to hear the differences, it's pleasant!

You're from Cuba? Or your family? Funny coincidence, I'm reading a book right now called "Havana Bay" (Martin Cruz Smith) and last week I cruised within a short distance of the island....

So can you tell me, what does "bolo" mean in Cuban?? I mean as a slur or a name-calling kind of thing? Or should I even use that word in a public forum???

i think Que bolo? is a greeting like "What's poppin?" or "Que onda?" (or for me "k lo k tiguere?" jaja)

damarys · 09-24-2008, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by jandros

I've been learning exactly that over the years

... that there is no single "definition" for the appearance of a Cuban. And yes, the Cuban accent is sooooo recognizable, and I like to hear the differences, it's pleasant!

You're from Cuba? Or your family? Funny coincidence, I'm reading a book right now called "Havana Bay" (Martin Cruz Smith) and last week I cruised within a short distance of the island....

So can you tell me, what does "bolo" mean in Cuban?? I mean as a slur or a name-calling kind of thing? Or should I even use that word in a public forum???

I was born there but have spent most of my life in the states. I'm afraid that I'm not up on the new lingo. THis is one of the reasons I come to this forum. I'm eager to improve my Spanish. My formal education in Spanish ended when I left Cuba while I was in primary school. Most of my formal education has been in English soooooo I'm here to learn my language better. So, I don't really know how "bolo" is used. I bet dmoney knows the answer!

Zahra2008 · 09-24-2008, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by dmoney101

no, it was tacos with that in there.
btw, why do people spell Mexico with a J? i read it was spelled like that when Spain had control, but it's been changed since then to an x

so its was with tacos not soup (like Menudo)... maybe its Tacos de Tripa

Zahra2008 · 09-24-2008, 12:20 AM

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Oops! I didn't even mean to do that! Sorry! It is Mexicanos... I guess I just wrote it phonetically. I really need to read what I type before hitting "Post". My apologies to the entire country of beautiful Mexico!

Como buena mexicana, Yo te perdono amiga... hahaha, dont worry....

Jandros... I wont kill Damarys

damarys · 09-24-2008, 01:37 AM

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Como buena mexicana, Yo te perdono amiga... hahaha, dont worry....

Jandros... I wont kill Damarys

I'm so happy to know I will live another day!!!! Viva Mexico!

xiurell · 09-24-2008, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jandros

But as I understand Mesoamerican history, there was no nation-state of "Mexico" before the Spaniards arrived ... just scattered tribes of Aztecas, mostly, whose language was apparently rich with the letter "x" ..... so I would think that the "x" is purely of Aztec origin, from the root of the name Mexico ... but maybe I'm completely ignorant about something? ... I've never seen Mexico spelled with a "j" at all, at least not formally .....

But one of the wiki articles that I quoted above says that the actual origin of the name Mexico is still argued, disputed to some degree. So I'm sure that we can't completely solve that question in this topic

But I love the history of mesoamerica, especially because it's still being discovered. I've read that they have only uncovered about 10% of the Aztec, Olmec and Mayan ruins, and other periods. It's amazing to see all of that unfold from year to year, regarding language and other things....

In old Spanish, the sound of the -j was represented by -x, although in nowdays this letter represents the sound -ks, but the name of some cities or countries are spelled in old spanish keeping the original sound like México, Texas, etc We don't pronounce Meksico or teksas but Méjico and Tejas