Learning Persian and common questions

Wow. such a great idea! I'm a beginner and I want to speak farsi better and better.
Mersi!

The 'gh' sound is really difficult

Actually, a small percentage of Belgians speak German too.
Belgium has 3 official languages: French, Flemish and German.

Is it possible to use 'Aslan' to say never?

Originally Posted by simka

Is it possible to use 'Aslan' to say never?

Hi dear Simka...I'm really glad to see a new Farsi learner in this threadI hope you learn Farsi fast and easy!Yep "gh" and "kh" are difficult to pronounce but by practicing I'm sure you can do it
Yes, you can use "aslan" to say never!!

Originally Posted by amaryn

If THAT is a good one, I hope my laptop is of the same opinion
Btw: yes, mais oui! It is a surprise both ch and kh are pronounced like the French r, part of them a bit more guttural than the others.
Very nice! So "khetori" and "khoobam/khoobi sound like "retori and roobam". Is that right then?

and when I see "dokhtar?" is that "dortar?"

Oh yes, must try Forvo, see if it works!

Oh be careful! "gh" and "kh" are pronounced like "r" in French!
"Ch" is always pronounced like "ch" in English! so "Chetori" is pronounced like this :

Chetori
http://fa.forvo.com/word/چطوری/#fa

Khoobi?
http://fa.forvo.com/word/خوبی/#fa

man khoobam:
http://fa.forvo.com/word/من_خوبم/#fa

Dokhtar:
http://fa.forvo.com/word/دختر/#fa

ghoroob or ghoroobe khorshid(=sunset)
http://fa.forvo.com/word/غروب_خورشيد/#fa

gham(=sorrow)
http://fa.forvo.com/word/غم/#fa

Khoda(God)
http://fa.forvo.com/word/خدا/#fa

khodahafez(=goodbye)
http://fa.forvo.com/word/خدا_حافظ/#fa

Chatr(=umbrella)
http://fa.forvo.com/word/چتر/#fa

Chera?(why)
http://fa.forvo.com/word/چرا/#fa

Salam everyone!

Originally Posted by pinky_girl

First, let's talk about "gh"....whether it's at the beginning or in the middle it's pronounced like "r" in French..for example French words like : rue/ravi/retourner/reflet/rêve:::
and "kh" whether it's at the beginning or in the middle of a word it is pronounced like "r" in French but in words like "quartier/important/trois/notre..

The examples are very good and useful, thank you dear Pinky! ^^
As for the "gh" when I listen to some Persian artists I feel like almost hearing a "g" sound in it. Is the "gh" marked by a regional accent and changing its pronunciation in the different regions of Iran?
I could try a hundred times I would never manage to reach Amin Rostami's "gh" in "Inghad toro doost daram..."

Originally Posted by pinky_girl

*Waiter=Gaarson=گارسون >>It's a bit like the French word "garçon"!

So cool !

You're welcome dear Enoo
Hmmmm actually only people who live in North West of Iran( Azari People whose language is 70% like Turkish) pronounce "gh"(ق) like "g"(گ)...but I haven't heard this kind of pronunciation among singersBut it's very common that when you speak Farsi, in some words "gh" is pronounced like "kh"(خ)..
For example:
When=Vaghti(وقتی) but sometimes when we talk fast we pronounce it like "vakhti"(وختی)...
or another example:
Please=Lotfan>>>> but we say "Lodfan"

hahahahaI listened to Amin Rostami's song and he pronounced "gh" correctly..and to me, It's "gh"
Oh listen to this sentence when he says "بی تو دلم می گیره ، وقتی تنها می شم ، کارم انتظاره' ...he says "vakhti"
Actually there are lots of "gh" letter in his song so it's a good song to practice "gh"

Let me tell you some other French words which we have in Farsi:

Tableau=Taablo=تابلو

Douche=Doosh(we say it exactly like French)>>>je vais prendre une douche=Miram ye doosh begiram!

Régime=Rejim=رژیم

actually there are so many French words in Farsi and I found a list of these words...just check it out:
bisheh.com/Uploaded/PostFile/634939340550410000.pdf

Now Pinky wants me to learn that song of Amin Rostami by heart I suppose See, if I can manage one of these days,lol

Kheyli mamnoon for the secret tip, Pinky I'll do my best!!

@Pinky: then I'm gonna practice the "gh" a lot That's so cool that we share so many words! I'm so relieved to know that "café glacé" is a cognate

@Amaryn: Where do I sign to hear you sing that song???

Originally Posted by amaryn

Now Pinky wants me to learn that song of Amin Rostami by heart I suppose See, if I can manage one of these days,lol

Kheyli mamnoon for the secret tip, Pinky I'll do my best!!

hahahaha, no I'm not a strict teacher at all..and memorizing a whole song can be difficult for you!so I'll be satisfied if you just memorize the key points
khahesh mikonam, I'm sure you will

^_^
I just began and unfortunately I can't study it as much as I should, because of several things which make me busy. Btw, although I can't study it every day, I must say I'm making some progresses.
'Kh' sound is not difficult at all, but 'gh'... Doost pesare man kheili mano komak karde va alan to ham mano komak kardi
correct me, lotfan!
Kheili, kheili mamnoon!

You know what? If you like music, I think songs are really helpful to learn a language. I've learned English that way and I know some Persian songs by heart. I don't understand most of them, but when I read/see/hear a word which was in a song, I remember where I've seen that word, I ask or search and I learn not only the single word, but the whole sentence. It sticks in my mind and I'm sure I'll never forget it.
So, I think that Pinky gave you a good tip. She really knows how to teach a language.

Pinky: Afarin, 100 afarin, 1300 afarin. Fereshteye ruhi zamin. :P

Lol, Simka, songs have been a great help for me too Just the way Farzad sings is nearly impossible to equalize
I am a singer/guitarist by profession and I agree FULLY with you, so I wish you all the best! Keep up the good work!

Originally Posted by simka

^_^
I just began and unfortunately I can't study it as much as I should, because of several things which make me busy. Btw, although I can't study it every day, I must say I'm making some progresses.
'Kh' sound is not difficult at all, but 'gh'... Doost pesare man kheili mano komak karde va alan to ham mano komak kardi
correct me, lotfan!
Kheili, kheili mamnoon!

Oh azizam, even if you don't have enough time to study Farsi just keep listening to Persian songs!It's really helpful and also a fun way to learn Farsi and new words
your sentence is perfect and correctAfariiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin...so your boyfrien is helping you learning Farsi?Niceeeeeee

Thank you!

^___^ Thank you so much!
Areh, u kheili, kheili, kheeeili ma no komak karde.

Originally Posted by simka

^___^ Thank you so much!
Areh, u kheili, kheili, kheeeili ma no komak karde.

khahesh mikonam, baese khoshhalime(it's my pleasure)

Speaking of songs, I've opened a thread about a song I'm listening to a lot these days ---> http://www.allthelyrics.com/forum/pe...my-2013-a.html

Could you read it, please? When/if you want and have time, of course!
Thanx

Oh I read your request and listened to the song but it was a bit hard to translate....so I'm gonna do it when I have enough time