Mor ve Ötesi - Eurovision song - Deli

[Kengoor_Serbia]

Oh yes is there an English version and if there is can any1 tell me where I can find it? Tnx.

marmaris you didn't count us in Did we give any points to Turkey? I forgot.
I can just say last few years you had great songs! First old from eurovision, that crossed my mind, is song For real Ukrain Turkey and Serbia were in Lead positions that year

[NPazarka]

Originally Posted by LoLa_in_Athens

I believe you meant "good GREEK music" instead of "GOOD greek music", 'cause what the greek song stood for, certainly wasn't GREEK.

Here in Greece we all like Kalomoira (the singer) but not that much because of her talent in singing, but because she is a sweet child and can dance nicely. I don't know if/why other countries voted her because of that or whatever.

I can't remember how long it has been since the last time we participated in the contest with a GREEK song.

btw, what kind of greek music do u enjoy?

Yes you are right. The Greek song that won can't be compared to this song, it was so much better! I don't understand why Greece doesn't participate with a Greek song, it is such a beautiful language. I listen to various types of Greek music as long as it sounds good. I can enjoy listening to 'etsi' by Nikos like I enjoy listening to 'mi mou theimonis matia mou' by Giorgos. There's no one in particular I listen to .. . Though.. I haven't been able to find a Greek rock band, mabye something that resembles mvö? If there are some, please let me know .

[Kengoor_Serbia]

Damn we didn't give any points for Turkey
People don't know whats good

[Vagia]

Originally Posted by marmaris

l am shocked that many greeks loved our song..i didnt expect such comments from you,thank you very much

You know it doesn't matter from where are you from...if you like the rythm of the song you just feel great and happy when you listen it...at first i believed that it doesn't suits rock at turkish language but only ballad or tsifteteli as we say in the Greek...i prefer to had won Turkey despite Russia...

[_Saber_]

Originally Posted by Kengoor_Serbia

Hi I'm from Serbia. It's doesn't matter if song is in english or not. It's the song and music quality! You had great song I really like it!!!! I think every1 should sing in their languge, why not? We must respect our cultures
I'd really like to hear this song in English because I can't sing it because I don't know turkish But i racon that it would still sound better in Turkish

Well said mate. I do agree about singing in our own language. it is a place to show our culture and language to others. so lets sing in our own mother tongue.

[Bosniaque]

Originally Posted by LoLa_in_Athens

Unfortunately it was more than obvious...

which proves that Eurovision is more than just a simple song-contest.

I suggest that, starting from next year, each country should be divided in Northern, Southern, Eastern and Western i.e. Greece, and vote each other, like the former USSR did.
Black humour, huh? perhaps... but the truth is that the russian song didn't deserve to win the contest. No offence.

They did a test on that where they took away all the voting points from the former USSR countries and found out that the result was nearly the same so...

Besides...has it ever stricked you that those countries that vote for each don't do it only because of political matters but also because the music is similar to theirs and they happen to like it?

[Dionysis]

Bosniaque, it's as if you're saying that Greeks do not like rock music at all, hence zero points for Turkey, (au contraire we do like rock-we have political problems), or that all former Jugoslav states love the band Coldplay (quite a few similarities in the sound between Coldplay and "Pokusaj") and therefore gave good points to Bosnia (which can not be entirely true), or that all former Soviet states love Disco music and therefore voted for Russia or Ukraine......Unfortunately, we both now that for the last (at least) 20 years voting is a matter of diplomacy for most countries. Italy left the competition and so did Austria. Unless each country appoints one judge (who is epxerienced enough in music) and all together gather to vote AT the venue of the competition, we will never give enough attention to the songs.

[maria_gr]

Well Dionysi I think that you didn't get what bosniaque said. Former Ussr countries vote each other cause in the past they were one country, they share the same music and singers that are famous in Russia, probably are famous in the other countries too. Take us an example Greece and Cyprus. Cypriots are Greeks right? They speak the same language with us, we have the same sounds, we understand their songs and they understand our, so we vote for Cyprus and they vote for Greece. So I think that when Cuprus and Turkey vote each other are for political reasons, also Albania and Fyrom or Serbia... When two countries don't have good relationship but they vote each other then they do it for political purpose.

[LoLa_in_Athens]

Originally Posted by Bosniaque

They did a test on that where they took away all the voting points from the former USSR countries and found out that the result was nearly the same so...

Perhaps...

Besides...has it ever stricked you that those countries that vote for each don't do it only because of political matters but also because the music is similar to theirs and they happen to like it?

I didn't find that many differences between the songs to justify what you are saying. On the other hand, we cannot speak in the name of our country, just because we liked this song or the other. BUT, some things, like the zero points we gave to Turkey, don't make sense.
I'm not trying to make a euro-conspiracy out of it. It just doesn't fit. And if there is a political reason behind it, then, as a Greek citizen I'm saying that I don't like it.

Of course, it's not the only thing that I dislike, so you can just call me grumpy and save yourself from my romantic misery! lololol

[LoLa_in_Athens]

Originally Posted by maria_gr

Well Dionysi I think that you didn't get what bosniaque said. Former Ussr countries vote each other cause in the past they were one country, they share the same music and singers that are famous in Russia, probably are famous in the other countries too. Take us an example Greece and Cyprus. Cypriots are Greeks right? They speak the same language with us, we have the same sounds, we understand their songs and they understand our, so we vote for Cyprus and they vote for Greece. So I think that when Cuprus and Turkey vote each other are for political reasons, also Albania and Fyrom or Serbia... When two countries don't have good relationship but they vote each other then they do it for political purpose.

Then, next year, they should run the contest in the European House of Parliament, or allow only politics to vote. lol

Why mix business with pleasure? I don't get it. It happens, but I don't like it.

[maria_gr]

Να μιλήσω στα Ελληνικά γιατί απ' ό,τι βλέπω δεν κατάλαβες τίποτα... Δε νομίζω ότι τα πρώην Σοβιετικά κράτη αλληλοψηφίζονται λόγω πολιτικών σκοπιμοτήτων. Τα πάνε καλά μεταξύ τους και δεν έχουν ανάγκη από πολιτικές για να καλοπιάσουν ο ένας τον άλλον. Επίσης παλιά ήταν ένα κράτος και έχουν την ίδια μουσική, τους ίδιους τραγουδιστές. Νομίζεις ότι ο Dima δεν είναι διάσημος στα πρώην Σοβιετικά κράτη; Πάρε για παράδειγμα εμάς και την Κύπρο, ψηφιζόμαστε μεταξύ μας λόγω πολιτικής; Αυτό νομίζεις; Βέβαια μπορεί να είμαι αγαθιάρα και να μη θέλω να δω τη σαπίλα που υπάρχει, αλλά δεν μπορούμε να βλέπουμε παντού παγίδες και πολιτικές... Όσον αφορά την Τουρκία δεν έχω ιδέα τι έγινε και δε νομίζω να το μάθουμε ποτέ, συμφωνώ μαζί σου ότι αν έγινε μαγείρεμα κακώς έγινε, αλλά δε θα κάτσω να σκάσω κιόλας. Η ζωή συνεχίζεται ξέρεις...

[Bosniaque]

Originally Posted by LoLa_in_Athens

I didn't find that many differences between the songs to justify what you are saying. On the other hand, we cannot speak in the name of our country, just because we liked this song or the other. BUT, some things, like the zero points we gave to Turkey, don't make sense.
I'm not trying to make a euro-conspiracy out of it. It just doesn't fit. And if there is a political reason behind it, then, as a Greek citizen I'm saying that I don't like it.

Of course, it's not the only thing that I dislike, so you can just call me grumpy and save yourself from my romantic misery! lololol

I am not saying that you are anything
I'm just saying that it doesn't have to be about political issues all the time.
This year f.ex, for the first time in a while Bosnia got 12 points from Serbia, even though we are neighbours we didn't receive that much last year and last year the girl that was singing for Bosnia was a Bosnian serb. If it was all that black and white as some claim, all that political, they'd give her the 12 points not our Bosniac Laka.So they must have liked our song.

About the zero points from Greece to Turkey, I do not know or say anything...

[Bosniaque]

I wonder where I can download "Daha Mutlu Olamam" by MVO. I've managed to find and download the other songs..Does anyone know? Or could somebody send it to me or upload it on rapidshare? Thanks

[LoLa_in_Athens]

Originally Posted by maria_gr

Να μιλήσω στα Ελληνικά γιατί απ' ό,τι βλέπω δεν κατάλαβες τίποτα... Δε νομίζω ότι τα πρώην Σοβιετικά κράτη αλληλοψηφίζονται λόγω πολιτικών σκοπιμοτήτων. Τα πάνε καλά μεταξύ τους και δεν έχουν λόγω από πολιτικές για να καλοπιάσουν ο ένας τον άλλον. Επίσης παλιά ήταν ένα κράτος και έχουν την ίδια μουσική, τους ίδιους τραγουδιστές. Νομίζεις ότι ο Dima δεν είναι διάσημος στα πρώην Σοβιετικά κράτη; Πάρε για παράδειγμα εμάς και την Κύπρο, ψηφιζόμαστε μεταξύ μας λόγω πολιτικής; Αυτό νομίζεις; Βέβαια μπορεί να είμαι αγαθιάρα και να μη θέλω να δω τη σαπίλα που υπάρχει, αλλά δεν μπορούμε να βλέπουμε παντού παγίδες και πολιτικές... Όσον αφορά την Τουρκία δεν έχω ιδέα τι έγινε και δε νομίζω να το μάθουμε ποτέ, συμφωνώ μαζί σου ότι αν έγινε μαγείρεμα κακώς έγινε, αλλά δε θα κάτσω να σκάσω κιόλας. Η ζωή συνεχίζεται ξέρεις...

I find it kind of rude towards the rest.

Since, as you admit, you don't care, and certainly life goes on, then live and let live. But not wanting to admit sth, that doesn't make it go away.
The results of a silly song-contest, is not the issue. But it is a mirror. What you will see, and how deep you are going to look, is up to you.

[maria_gr]

Originally Posted by LoLa_in_Athens

I find it kind of rude towards the rest.

Since, as you admit, you don't care, and certainly life goes on, then live and let live. But not wanting to admit sth, that doesn't make it go away.
The results of a silly song-contest, is not the issue. But it is a mirror. What you will see, and how deep you are going to look, is up to you.

Really? You found my post rude! lol I admit that it must be kind of ironic but surely not rude...
We all here liked Turkey's song, it didn't win, life goes on. The only thing that really matters to me is that you, me and many others met this great band and we will enjoy their beautiful music...
Don't try to solve the Eurovision problem here, talking about "conspiracies" and these stuff, cause simply it doesn't worth it. You'll spend vainly your time and saliva cause nothing will ever change. And the thing I was trying to tell you is that the former Ussr countries vote each other not cause of politics but because common music, singers, language unite them. Maybe it's not good for all the other countries but I think it has nothing to do with politics.

Well I advise you to talk about Mor ve otesi, dont know, to get to know them better and not about why MVO didnt win the contest... That's just my opinion though

[Bosniaque]

Originally Posted by maria_gr

Don't try to solve the Eurovision problem here, talking about "conspiracies" and these stuff, cause simply it doesn't worth it. You'll spend vainly your time and saliva cause nothing will ever change. And the thing I was trying to tell you is that the former Ussr countries vote each other not cause of politics but because common music, singers, language unite them. Maybe it's not good for all the other countries but I think it has nothing to do with politics.

I agree with this.

[LoLa_in_Athens]

Originally Posted by maria_gr

Really? You found my post rude! lol I admit that it must be kind of ironic but surely not rude...
We all here liked Turkey's song, it didn't win, life goes on. The only thing that really matters to me is that you, me and many others met this great band and we will enjoy their beautiful music...
Don't try to solve the Eurovision problem here, talking about "conspiracies" and these stuff, cause simply it doesn't worth it. You'll spend vainly your time and saliva cause nothing will ever change. And the thing I was trying to tell you is that the former Ussr countries vote each other not cause of politics but because common music, singers, language unite them. Maybe it's not good for all the other countries but I think it has nothing to do with politics.

Well I advise you to talk about Mor ve otesi, dont know, to get to know them better and not about why MVO didnt win the contest... That's just my opinion though

I know that I can't make a difference, but WE can. Anyway... I guess I'm rather out of subject.

I said it was rude, not to me, but to the rest who don't understand greek. I find it annoying. Anyway... no harm done. I rarely get insulted by irony and/or by someone who barely knows me!

It's nice talking to people who share the same taste in music!

Have a nice day!

[paula-l]

Originally Posted by Volcano1985

When almost every country sing the songs in english,I don't understand why we in turkish...

Weren't you satisfied with the show or the song?
My country (Finland) also sang in our native language, but people didn't like it so much whoops.

[Dionysis]

@ Maria: If it was up to me Cyprus would not get more than a few points (not a twelve definitely!) because I rarely liked their songs. We may have similar music, but we don't always like it, moreover they do not always deserve the 12(same goes to greek songs voted by cypriots). And yet we nearly all vote for them (and probably so do they). Similarity here is not the common ground. On the other side, Turks are our most hated enemy, and yet we dance, eat and sing our problems the same way they do....Yet they get zero....So what is the common ground here?
You also say that the ex soviets get along well with each other (you wrote it in greek). We saw last year the russians stopping the gas supply to Ukraine because they did not pay a higher price. What good neighbour would do that with winter getting near your door...I wonder. Unfortunately music (like sports) is politics and economics. It's all a matter of numbers and not of people (at least for those who do the "cooking-voting").