General chit chat off-topic discussion

[katie386]

Aksios could u say smth more about wedding ,engagement in Turkey and kina gecesi how this every things look i mean from engagement to marriage?? coz my friend is goin to get marry (smth like 10months later) and i would like to knw smth more about it.Coz u started to write thngs about it and i became more and more curious
and u wrote " it depends on the money you can spend for the wedding, this costs much more as you can predict" so it is really so expensive ?? my friend is from Istanbul and they want to have whole ceremony there and she told me that they ll put in ths smth like 40thousands of turkish lira ( for ex inivitations,wedding reception,rentin a car etc) is it enough ? yesterday i was on my friend's wedding she is from Poland and she also had wedding reception in hotel and i dont knw if it is the same in Turkey but here u know the cost of the wedding reception when u show the list of the guests( for ex u want to have a wedding for 80 ppl after it manager of the hotel tells u how much u ll pay its like for a guest on ur reception u ll pay for example 40 dollars(and it includes meals,alcohol,fruits,tea,coffee) u inivited 80 person so u gonna pay 3200dollars (it is just example) n how it looks in Turkey ?
i hope i dont bother u aksios

[Nur_Demir]

Bayramınız mübarek olsun

[cameronparkhurst]

40,000 lira is like 20,000 usd and not a lot for an american wedding but very expensive for turkey. remember their salary is like 500 usd a month. but their housing is a lot less. i went to 2 weddings in turkey. one was in konya and the other was in a village. both were very different from each other. the only thing that was the same was the henna. they both did henna. my henna is still on my hand!! it was great to see the difference. and learn the history of "why this and whay that." you know here in america its all the same.

[katie386]

u are from america i was 5 times there ( twice in NYC same in LA and once i went to Miami) and i was on 3 weddings there one was my cousin's and i must say that i dont like americans weddings n my cousin's wife had many problems wth wedding planner and wth many other thngs. they want to move to UK coz of american system (for ex health care it is a disaster not like in europe here in france where i live i met many ppl frm usa they moved here coz life here is much better n our government really cares about us)
Anyway im waitin on some more news about engagement,wedding etc

[jandros]

Originally Posted by katie386

...dont like americans weddings ...

I agree with you. Just in my opinion ... for me, the only weddings that I enjoy in the U.S. are traditional weddings ... Greek, Jewish, Russian, Scottish, Irish, Italian, like that. Some others are very nice too, and I really like "garden weddings" ... and my son was married by the seaside in a very bright and beautiful setting ... but a lot of people that I know just went off on some crazy tangent, no foundation. Some people just throw money around and there's not a real "theme" or anything like that. But anyway, I'm sure that others will disagree with me, but that's my experience.

By the way, I noticed that you're from France. Please excuse a small diversion, but my father's mother's family is French, so I am 1/4 French (Huguenot), and I look for people from France ...

But anyway, when you were in NYC, you didn't see or hear of traditional/cultural weddings? I'm just curious ..... otherwise, please pardon my temporary intrusion.

[cameronparkhurst]

i love american weddings!! health care? health care is not a disaster here at all. i have great health care...and our medical is the best in the world. we dont have universal health care and i dont want it!! i dont believe our country should pay for everyones medical. people need to be responsible and pay for their own. i dont know anyone that moves out of the states for better health care!! the best health care is in america.

shopping is pretty good in paris but completely overpriced--you can get the same thing in america for a little cheaper!! i was in paris 1 week ago and i was like wooooooooo i will buy that in boston!!
my dream is a garden wedding by the seaside---in portsmouth nh...or in rhode island at the breakers..

if she had problems with the wedding planner thats not a fair accessment on
american weddings--thats a bad planner and the bride and groom did not communicate with the planner...

i love nyc and la but i HATE miami!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
btw thanks for the statue of liberty!!

[jandros]

Originally Posted by cameronparkhurst

...i love nyc and la but i HATE miami!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ....

I can so agree about NYC and LA Never been to Miami, but I'll cruise there on Sept 14 and 21 .... please wish me luck? I'll probably need it

I have to agree about health care too, and there is always at least one hospital nearby that is required by law to give medical care to anyone who needs it. I think one of the biggest problem is that the government's cost for free and subsidized medical care, and also insurance premiums for people who pay it, has become outrageous ... but now, prescription insurance is better than ever ... now there are at least 8 different ways that people, everybody, can qualify for "co-pay" or even free medicine. But also, just trying to manage the various medical programs for 300 million people is just so overwhelming. The socialistic bureaucracy itself is a monster. So I believe those are the two biggest sources of frustration about healthcare in the U.S. ....

Anyway, I think LA and NYC are great in opposite ways, more or less ... like old versus new, or something like that ... but the people who live in both cities can be so friendly and helpful! That always amazes me so much.

[katie386]

yes im half french and half lebanese n im proud of it

and i agree i love NYC i could live there ths city has a style has ths smth
i want to go to NYC but first i should save some money coz i must agree again wth u shopping in USA is much cheaper and much better thn in Europe thts why my luggages are always too big too heavy and when i come back to home i see bills frm my credit cards
i cant say antythn bad about Miami i was only 1 time there but ths whch started to make me crazy was boys askin " are u latina?" and they started to talk in spanish anyway i had great holidays there i enjoyed it. and 1 more thng why i love so much NYC coz of 'sex and the city' really i love ths television program and movie as well

and for the statue of liberty hmm you are welcome

[jandros]

... I actually intended to mention an upcoming wedding, so I'll get back to that in a sec ...

...but just want to say, for about 250 years France and U.S. have had a "strange" relationship ... close friends and allies in war, and then a disgreement, and then allies again, and then that incredible gift that became our most amazing national symbol! I think there is always more than meets the eye, something better than the small differences from year to year.

... edit ... Miami is about 55% Latino now. You know how the Latin guys can be ... but I'm joking :-)

Anyway ... I have a young Turkish friend here in the U.S. who will get married in Spring, and I have an "informal" invitation, but they haven't decided where they'll get married. Maybe here in my state of NC, or maybe in Turkey, where her father lives ... but I think she'll go home to do it.

[cameronparkhurst]

ooohhhhhhh honey i am a HUGE sex and the city fan!! and i LOVE LOVE my labels :P and those are the reasons i love nyc and la--THE FASHION!!

AND THATS WHY I HATE MIAMI!! i dont like the incoming immigrant latins i dont have to say ANYTHING to you. you read my mind--well we are both women!!

and jand--thats not a joke

i dont know when i was in paris i found them to be sooooooooo rude. they have a smell problem (in america we shower everyday AND we wash our clothing after we wear them once. so we dont smell!! ) but i totally appreciate the statue and the help during the war for independence..oh and for chanel :P

when you are in turkey--go shopping!!!! i never get the chance to go shopping too busy but its cheaper and their jewelry and everything is BEAUTIFUL and compared to the usa and definately france, its a lot cheaper cause its all made there--no import fees and taxes!!

ALL hospitals are REQUIRED by law to treat you even if you cant pay and they all have special reserves that can "wave" costs. you have to apply but its there!!

no we dont have a socialist system and honestly i wouldnt want it.

[jandros]

Originally Posted by cameronparkhurst

...and jand--thats not a joke .....

I completely understand, about both of your experiences. Even my Puerto Rican friend (who is happily married) says exactly the same thing. He doesn't like to see it either.

[cameronparkhurst]

i think we should close our borders to them!! oh wait-we keep trying!!!!unfortunately they SNEAK through. they are all the illegal aliens!!!! and they are trouble!!!!

[Raisa-Miruna]

Hello!
Sorry to interrupt your topic and discussion about weddings, but does anybody know if turkish soldiers have days off in the period of Ramazan? (Aksios should know..if she reads this ) thanks.

[marmaris]

Originally Posted by Raisa-Miruna

Hello!
Sorry to interrupt your topic and discussion about weddings, but does anybody know if turkish soldiers have days off in the period of Ramazan? (Aksios should know..if she reads this ) thanks.

they dont have days off in this period..i mean army doesnt give such right..but if soldiers want permission etc..they can give 1-2 days..of course it is changing from commander to commander..

[cameronparkhurst]

Happy Ramadan!!

[aksios]

Happy Ramadan to all Muslims! And thanks friends!

Originally Posted by Raisa-Miruna

Hello!
Sorry to interrupt your topic and discussion about weddings, but does anybody know if turkish soldiers have days off in the period of Ramazan? (Aksios should know..if she reads this ) thanks.

Well, it depends, generally they do not let the soldiers for days, cause most of them ask for permission, if they did let them, there wouldn't be army =) The day of fest, the meeting rooms are full of people, we see them on tvs, news, lots of people go to the places to meet the soldiers. I am not expert but as much as I know, they don't give special permissions to soldiers for 'Bayram'.

Originally Posted by katie386

Aksios could u say smth more about wedding ,engagement in Turkey and kina gecesi how this every things look i mean from engagement to marriage?? coz my friend is goin to get marry (smth like 10months later) and i would like to knw smth more about it.Coz u started to write thngs about it and i became more and more curious
and u wrote " it depends on the money you can spend for the wedding, this costs much more as you can predict" so it is really so expensive ?? my friend is from Istanbul and they want to have whole ceremony there and she told me that they ll put in ths smth like 40thousands of turkish lira ( for ex inivitations,wedding reception,rentin a car etc) is it enough ? yesterday i was on my friend's wedding she is from Poland and she also had wedding reception in hotel and i dont knw if it is the same in Turkey but here u know the cost of the wedding reception when u show the list of the guests( for ex u want to have a wedding for 80 ppl after it manager of the hotel tells u how much u ll pay its like for a guest on ur reception u ll pay for example 40 dollars(and it includes meals,alcohol,fruits,tea,coffee) u inivited 80 person so u gonna pay 3200dollars (it is just example) n how it looks in Turkey ?
i hope i dont bother u aksios

First let me say something, the foreigners wonder about the weddings most, I wonder why =)
It depends dear, 40000 YTL is much, you can prepare a good wedding with this. I am asked for wedding. But what kind of wedding, it depends on the couple, the place, the time, the economic and social statu, they are important, the wedding changes much according to them. There are many differences along weddings.

[jandros]

Originally Posted by Raisa-Miruna

Hello!
Sorry to interrupt your topic and discussion about weddings, but does anybody know if turkish soldiers have days off in the period of Ramazan? (Aksios should know..if she reads this ) thanks.

Also sorry for another interruption ... but the sad thing is that there are always other people, other groups or countries, who will take advantage of someone's holiday, any big holiday, when people might be distracted ... so, unfortunately, at certain times, soldiers have to be even more ready for trouble. Of course commanders want to be as lenient as possible, but not so much that the army's vigilance will be endangered, weakened. I say this because of things that happened in the Cold War, during the Soviet era. For example, the Soviets occasionally would take advantage of our U.S. holiday Memorial Day, in Late May, the first big holiday of the summer, when everyone wanted to go to the beach for 3 days. And now, terrorists are also very famous for using holidays or anniversaries, either theirs or the special occasions of another group or country, to implement acts of terror. It's sad, but it's very necessary to be prepared always, but sometimes to be even more prepared.

But still we have weddings and celebrations, because we just can't let fear rule our lives! But I think it's just good to remember ... as you remember, Raisa ... that some people make tremendous sacrifices, just to try to keep the world safe for the rest of us.

Happy Ramadan

[katie386]

Originally Posted by cameronparkhurst

ooohhhhhhh honey i am a HUGE sex and the city fan!! and i LOVE LOVE my labels and those are the reasons i love nyc and la--THE FASHION!!

AND THATS WHY I HATE MIAMI!! i dont like the incoming immigrant latins i dont have to say ANYTHING to you. you read my mind--well we are both women!!

and jand--thats not a joke

i dont know when i was in paris i found them to be sooooooooo rude. they have a smell problem (in america we shower everyday AND we wash our clothing after we wear them once. so we dont smell!! ) but i totally appreciate the statue and the help during the war for independence..oh and for chanel :P

when you are in turkey--go shopping!!!! i never get the chance to go shopping too busy but its cheaper and their jewelry and everything is BEAUTIFUL and compared to the usa and definately france, its a lot cheaper cause its all made there--no import fees and taxes!!

ALL hospitals are REQUIRED by law to treat you even if you cant pay and they all have special reserves that can "wave" costs. you have to apply but its there!!

no we dont have a socialist system and honestly i wouldnt want it.

me too we should meet one time and go for shopping and i just cant believe tht its over but movie was brilliant i just wait when it ll be on dvd
u knw when i have bad day i watch sex and the city and Carrie's style is just fabulous i also love my labels and my closet im crazy about the fashion im not saucy or spoiled really but im daddy's girl heh

i know wht u mean ( smell problem ) u can see it very easy n clearly when u live in dormitory oh God i was living there only for 4 months but i still cant believe how i could live there my roommate didnt change her clothes for 5 days and had problems wth her personal hygiene so trust me i knw very wel wht u mean but really not everyone is like this for example me but im not 100% french it depends on ppl.
And u mean tht french ppl were rude for u ? interesting but my foreign friends frm uni said tht they were also rude for them at the begining coz some of french ppl think " if you came to our country you should speak in our language" and they had problems to communicate in English language now they dont complain

[katie386]

and Happy n blessed Ramadan for every muslims

[cameronparkhurst]

i love sex and the city too!! and i am spoiled...my lexus says "prenses" as my plate :P the fashion is the best. ANYTIME you want to come to nyc and shop, i will be sooooo happy to go with you. omg so i bought a pair of burberry shoes (700 for little under 300) and i was at my sons school today. a guy came up to me and said "i love your shoes" okay i have great gaydar but he wasnt even on it!!!! he HAS to be!! thats the first time any man said anything about shoes to me before!!

i am telling you when i was in paris, they were sooooo rude!! and they like cheese too much!! americans take showers everyday and we only wear our clothing once and then wash. i thought i was going to gag

about the language. thats annoying. we dont think "hey you come here so learn the language." it helps sure but not necessary. we have sooo many immigrants that dont speak english but they learn.

[katie386]

First let me say something, the foreigners wonder about the weddings most, I wonder why =)
It depends dear, 40000 YTL is much, you can prepare a good wedding with this. I am asked for wedding. But what kind of wedding, it depends on the couple, the place, the time, the economic and social statu, they are important, the wedding changes much according to them. There are many differences along weddings.[/quote]


Yes you have right girl but i think one of the reason is that it is easy (for foreigner ppl to get married in Turkey) i read many articles in newspapers about it , i think its pretty common here and UK to go and get married in Turkey.

wht you mean by writing " what kind of wedding" you mean traditional,modern,elegant ??

as she told me they want to get married in september.And place i dont know what they've choosed restaurant or hotel if we talk about the place all i know it ll be in european part of Istanbul
I dont know his social statu but she is not from poor or average family.Her father has his own firm/company i never asked her what her father is doing but almost all the time he is at work.They have their own summer house near Istanbul and really elegant,spacious 2 flats/apartments i can say that they are really rich ppl but they dont boast about it and thts really good she told me that her mother always send money for charity etc.

And what you mean by saying " There are many differences along weddings" ??