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    Agree once more

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    Agree! (you're very generous today Mr Safe )

    A great Artist shouldn't have kids and family and should devote all his energy to his/her true calling.

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    sneaky Paul Orhan. Disagree A great artist should be inspired and get energy by all the things you mentioned above Mr.Paul Orhan.

    A great family is a great asset to the society but not a great asset to the capitalistic society. We need work units, not family mans! We need night shifts! not family warmth....Divide and conquer

    How about that?
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    (Sneaky? hmmm ... Been just discussing this issue with a friend tonight and ... there are so many examples of unhappy kids of famous big artists that it really hurts...)

    Disagree.

    If a family is a GREAT one it'll work out under every latitude no matter what the political or economic conditions are. The WEAK one will fail everywhere, too. I'm speaking from my personal experiences Mine was weak under communism and remained weak under capitalism, to give you at least ONE proof

    Next thesis: A great family is a great asset to its every member.

    Now, dare to question me, Mister!

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    (you didn't get the meaning of my Thesis maybe we should discuss further )

    Agree
    of course it is...

    So, now, again the Agree/Disagree question for you

    An artist should have no problems to have a family, as soon as his family is part of himself and himself is part of his family. IMO There is no better way getting inspiration than getting it from the people you love and love you. Let alone all the other things that are around you and can inspire you. How can you really be inspired if there is an imbalance inside you? Well you can...but for how long?

    But (to further explain my previous statement) the ongoing TREND to career success doesn't want family as part of the equation . And that, creates false assumptions that family can be a check on one's carrier Why? Ask me in the next question.

    We sometimes keep staring at the tree by losing sight of the forest

    (of course "disagree" totally accepted )
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    Agree! (ad 1: the family-artist question): A balanced, happy family is most certainly a source of inspiration; the career without family trend touches just any kind of profession, not only artistic. It often involves long days, lots of travel (I know about that), removals (idem dito)......
    It cannot be denied though that children often suffer from such restless careers: changing schools, environment, absence of parent(s),
    and therefore hard decisions have to be made at times or in time....

    Agree(ad2) , though some trees are exceptionally beautiful, of course

    It is better to meet a hungry fellow than a hungry wolf

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    (very gladly, Safe1, very gladly )

    There are three issues here that demand serious consideration:

    - what is true art, big art, meaningful art, etc. (HUGE topic)
    - what are its possible sources of inspiration (HUGE topic);
    - how do we perceive it (internal filters through which we analyse it and make judgement upon a piece of art - less huge I suppose )

    I tend to generalise things so you'll always be able to prove me wrong by giving examples that would contradict my little theses, but to me a true and meaningful art will always be inspired by an IMbalance rather than balance; either in private or in public life of the artist.
    IMO, the biggest pieces of art (no matter what form they had) were inspired by such imbalances like:
    - love (like it or not, it's been scientifically proved to be a state of imbalance rather than balance ; especially unrequited love );
    - hate;
    - poverty;
    - unfulfilment;
    - unhappiness;
    - sickness;
    - social inequalities
    to name but a few.

    And the biggest artists in the history of mankind so rarely were happy and fulfilled family men More often they were crazy saints, divinely inspired people, imbalanced in this way or another. And as such should rather avoid having families 'cos their children would most often suffer from that.

    Now back to agree/disagree: safe1 is one of the most thought-provoking people at ATL! I wonder who dares to disagree with it! LOL

    PS. I'm looking forward to how the recent events in Greece would inspire your artists, especially in the rock music. Or, perhaps this is already happening? Any hints?

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    Do YOU REALLY WANT ME TO READ ALL THAT???
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    Of course not!
    White flag on your part, Mister???

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    ball is your court Mister. time for kick off?
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    Now back to agree/disagree: safe1 is one of the most thought-provoking people at ATL! I wonder who dares to disagree with it! LOL

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    disagree, i am...

    Paul Orhan is a secret agent who tries to spoil my reputation in his favor
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    LMAO me -->>
    Like: "Name's Orhan, Paul Orhan" LOL!!!
    Disagree. Strongly. Utterly and totally.

    BTW, I never knew you had SOME reputation here, Safe!

    Reputation is easily lost and so hard to build/rebuild.

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    Agree,

    and some smart-asses here don't let me build mine
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    LMFAO

    Go on Bob-the-Builder! The floor is all yours!

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    Agree,

    it would be nice to fly just a few centimeters above the floor instead of walking, no? We'd all look like ghosts
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    Now hold it, folks, there are some very important things going on here

    Pawel: AGREE: Safe1 is indeed digging deep into the world of thoughts , but then again: he is Greek! (Socrates, Aristoteles, etc..)
    Pawel: I AGREE, that art is hard to define and what influences art is in my opinion just about anything happening around us.
    In Greek music I have to admit that I don't know what modern Greek rock is all about, but Giorgos Delares , Mikis Theodoralis,
    and many others have put a lot of political engagement into their performances, and I would be surprised that the agony going on right
    now would not be reflected in the music.

    Safe1: DISAGREE: I definitely prefer walking feet touching the ground - especially in mountainous areas

    Back to Q: it is better to meet a hungry fellow than a hungry wolf

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    Agree...I have better chances of out-running a hungry fellow!

    Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow.

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    Must AGREE because this is what I do. What I wish to do is the opposite!!

    These guys on the last two pages are alternatingly hilarious!! and deeply thoughtful and philosophic.

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    @ What is art? I have developed my own theory on this over the years. I know how to ascertain--for myself--art from, say, mere talent, craft, or performance. And, yes, it too is subjective, just like who is 'the most beautiful?' !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie Jasmine View Post
    And, yes, it too is subjective, just like who is 'the most beautiful?' !!
    Hey FJ, this has been solved We even have a photo of him in the relative game...

    Next agree disagree question is: ->................ my signature .............So what do you say?
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