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    What's the point of this post? Not to change your taste of music for sure...

    But some things need some clarification.

    People from here (and not only) ask me often: Wow, you are not listening to the Greek music? how come?

    Problem is that they don't really have a sense what is Greek and what is not...
    I wouldn't have a problem to answer that: "well i'm not too much into Oriental music..."
    Because whatever hits the Greek charts now, is not really Greek music...

    And this is what i'd like to explain...so:

    I was born in Athens - Greece. I was listening to the Greek music back in late 70's-early 80's (no i am not that old, i'm just listening to the music since i... can remember myself ). There was something like "pop" Greek music back then. It dominated the Greek music scene. Best examples of the Greek "pop" artists back then where artists like Yannis Parios, Elpida, Dakis, Filippos Nikolaou and many others...

    There were still artists like Yiorgos Dalaras (who btw is not Greek) and many others who were bowing to the Oriental music influence and were constantly choosing that kind of music to be their way of expression (and their way to make money of course).

    Those artists, they didn't discover something new...They weren't the "new wave" of Greek music. They just kept on perpetuating the influences of the Greek culture by the Ottoman empire years. The influences of the subjection of this country for many many years...

    Those influences didn't had a cost in our music culture alone. Unfortunately changed the culture of a whole nation by many aspects and forever (as it seems).

    Was it for good or not....?

    That's another matter...and that's a personal opinion that doesn't fit in a forum.

    So,

    Later on, around the mid 80's, many Greek discography companies (like Columbia, the only one that i can remember after that many years...) started to collapse (still unable to explain it) and eventually shut down their businesses. But, New discography companies appeared into the scene! (how? who owned 'em?).

    What a coincidence!!!, new trends of night clubbing also brought into the scene...
    The small and cosy "pop" Greek night clubs (called: "μπουάτ" ) around "Plaka", which used to host artists like Yannis Parios and customers who were sitting to their small round tables listening to the beautiful ballads while drinking a couple of some fine Greek wine glasses and tasting some of the finest (and cheap) Greek cuisine, became the huge "Greek" music clubs aka "σκυλάδικα" or "μπουζούκια" which were able to host a huge number of customers, owners of a huge number of digits account balance, willing to spend a huge number of money to show off their status.

    Then were the days of the Greek "dish throwing to the stage", (coincidence?) which later on was replaced by the massive "flower throwing to the stage" - (artists complained for injuries...dishes had to be replaced by something less harm...but equally expensive...) .

    Then were the days that the Greek "pop" music was at its end, not because it wasn't good, but because the middle 80's "parvenu" "nouveau riche" Greeks needed to find a way to show their money and their superior "status" to the "petit bourgeois".

    One way was the BMW cars...but it wasn't enough....

    (note that,that mid 80's rich health caste, happened also to be the most uneducated and unrefined Greeks ever existed. They still do for the most part even today).

    Discography companies and night club owners got the message.

    And the message was that: "well nobody will throw dishes to the stage with that mellow pop music which dominated the scenes for years now...." "let's give 'em something more irritating...."

    What was more irritating? Well, the oriental influenced music with that bouzouki instrument which makes them feel like a pasha... Throw to it some ladies moving their bellies left and right, top to bottom, and it'd be fine...

    And the ball started to roll and never stopped. The kids of those "pasha" Greeks, grow up with that sound. Didn't search any further, didn't spend time for anything else.

    What happened to the Greek "pop" artists of the late 70's-early 80's ?

    2 things:

    those who didn't comply, disappeared (or better: THEY made them disappear).
    those who changed their musical directions, and complied to the "needs", still exist.
    NEW ones are under constant DEVELOPMENT under the directions of the mass media and discography industry.

    So, some of us (kids or teenagers back then) had to make a choice.
    The choice was: "our beloved music dies....either we follow the trends or we search for something else".

    Anyway the reason for writing all these is not to promote my likings.

    The reason that i write all these is to tell you a couple of things:

    One is: that genuine Greek music IS NOT the oriental influenced music. That is ORIENTAL music.
    Zeimpekiko IS NOT a Greek dance.
    Greek coffee is NOT Greek.

    ...and there are more...

    And those "more" ARE NOT defining Greek music.

    Better call it Oriental music, or whatever comes from the East and Southeast of the Aegean sea.....

    But it's NOT Greek.

    Greek music still exists today. I posted some (one?) here.

    And here is one more of it:



    And more:



    And more:



    And more:



    And more:

    (instrumental)



    And more:



    And more:



    And let's go back to 70's ballads or pop or rock or whatever you want to call it:



    (can't host more...reached ATL's limit).

    and that's enough i guess

    Well these songs above, are not all "ballads". Are not that kind of late 70's/early 80's "greek pop".

    Some can be defined as "rock" , some not.

    For sure they all are this: the heart and soul of some (counted on one hand's fingers) "the next new wave" people who refused to play the game of the discography companies, refused to humiliate "Greek" music spirit* in the name of the "nouveau riche" needs...

    Sorry if you don't agree with me , it may also happens that i don't agree with you.


    But that's what forums are for , right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maviii View Post
    Life is strange how we fall in love with a language and a whole country through music
    I listen to greek songs since i was 13 years or so ..
    I was so attached to the songs and singing them not even knowing the meaning of any word
    this thread i found tonight pushed me way back to my childhood
    So i want to thank you amaryn for opening this thread - its amazing
    and cheers to all greek members in this forum / i have deep respect to ''Greeks'' because a close friend of mine
    who is not around anymore anyway -
    This is my simple dedication to you all here / hope you enjoy it

    Mes stou Aigaiou ta nisia


    and this one is dedicated specially to my maxmou/laki
    this song do its doooos with me
    i would love to know what shes saying exactly thou

    Love the spirit....you've captured mine....there's magic in that language...in this music...in those performers that's inexplicable..
    Ploutarxos Gia Panta

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    Default Klimera everyone

    I'd like to dedicate this song to John Lennon
    and his legacy of tolerance ....
    Live and let live
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    enjyo the music you like...
    let it vibe in your soul
    and turn you into a better person
    to all my new friends
    with all my love and respect
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    WOW, Safey, that was quite a statement! Thanks for your post - I'll check the tracks you suggested later on but wanted to say you've impressed me again. And a couple of things more:

    1. I'm not a specialist in Greek music but it seems to me that the processes you described took place everywhere in our part of the world; For something like three decades the BIG companies have dictated a lot of music to the public and this wasn't done to promote truly good music but to promote their earnings. And imo the quality of music (in general) has been deteriorating with every year. But there's some hope ... with the new media/channels of distribution getting a bigger share of the market with every passing year. It's not to say that it's any easier these days (both for the artists and the public to meet each other) but at least you don't have to sign to a big company to get your message accross. So for once in my life I feel hopeful that truly great artists might come closer to the public.

    2. I lack the knowledge to be debating on the subject of what is and what is not the true Greek music... I'd be in a serious problem to debate such issue with regards to the Polish music, too. But I believe that at the end of the day it's the quality, message, emotions and ability to move people that's important, no matter whether it's Greek/Oriental/Western-influenced/Folklorized/Whatever - it either touches your heart and soul or not. And that's the ultimate touchstone that I apply when choosing the music I like/love. And if something touches me so deeply that I can't sleep at night after having listened to it, then I don't really care that much whether it's 100% Polish, Greek, Turkish, Persian, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Brazilian, Spanish, Israeli, Russian, Italian or a super mixture influenced by 1001 traditions or music idioms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Orhan View Post
    WOW, Safey, that was quite a statement! Thanks for your post - I'll check the tracks you suggested later on but wanted to say you've impressed me again. And a couple of things more:

    1. I'm not a specialist in Greek music but it seems to me that the processes you described took place everywhere in our part of the world; For something like three decades the BIG companies have dictated a lot of music to the public and this wasn't done to promote truly good music but to promote their earnings. And imo the quality of music (in general) has been deteriorating with every year. But there's some hope ... with the new media/channels of distribution getting a bigger share of the market with every passing year. It's not to say that it's any easier these days (both for the artists and the public to meet each other) but at least you don't have to sign to a big company to get your message accross. So for once in my life I feel hopeful that truly great artists might come closer to the public.

    2. I lack the knowledge to be debating on the subject of what is and what is not the true Greek music... I'd be in a serious problem to debate such issue with regards to the Polish music, too. But I believe that at the end of the day it's the quality, message, emotions and ability to move people that's important, no matter whether it's Greek/Oriental/Western-influenced/Folklorized/Whatever - it either touches your heart and soul or not. And that's the ultimate touchstone that I apply when choosing the music I like/love. And if something touches me so deeply that I can't sleep at night after having listened to it, then I don't really care that much whether it's 100% Polish, Greek, Turkish, Persian, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Brazilian, Spanish, Italian or a super mixture influenced by 1001 traditions or music idioms.
    I fully agree with Paul; and I also have to admit I can not debate about german music either. But german music always has been influenced a lot by the british and american music. For example France is our neighbour country and you almost van hear no french music in the radio.

    Back to greek music I have to say that I like a lot greek music with an oriental touch and I like to see the interactions between arabic, turkish and greek music and what has turned out in the end. Like for example "ta mavra matia" was originally classic arabic music.

    On the other side, haveing a look of this topic as an artist: you need new influences, to creat new idesas for your own project. And influences from other cultures are very inspiring.

    Here a greek song with oriental touch I really like a lot, unfortunatelly I can also post the live version; the original video cannot been seen in Germany any more
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cvx1ZSOVNjM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mixalopoulos View Post
    Here you go Jack.
    Jack ??????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maviii View Post
    Jack ??????
    Jolly Jack Tar ie. sailor
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mixalopoulos View Post
    Jolly Jack Tar ie. sailor
    Do you know me or something?
    honestly nobody call me jack just few who's close friends
    so you confused me now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maviii View Post
    Do you know me or something?
    honestly nobody call me jack just few who's close friends
    so you confused me now
    I'm not a stalker.

    When people embed YouTube videos I open them in Youtube, and not in the post window.
    So when you posted: Θέλω κοντά σου να μείνω - Ελευθερία Αρβανιτάκη there is a post in the comment pane by a certain person
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    Quote Originally Posted by safe1 View Post
    What's the point of this post? Not to change your taste of music for sure...

    The reason that i write all these is to tell you a couple of things:
    One is: that genuine Greek music IS NOT the oriental influenced music. That is ORIENTAL music.
    Zeimpekiko IS NOT a Greek dance.
    Greek coffee is NOT Greek.

    ...

    But it's NOT Greek. Greek music still exists today. I posted some (one?) here.
    And here is one more of it:
    Hmmmmmmmmmm
    Hmmmmmmmmmm
    Hmmmmmmmmmm
    and
    Hmmmmmmmmmm

    I was expecting something ... BIG.
    I was expecting an earthquake after which more excitement would follow...
    I was expecting ...

    Do I really know what I was expecting???

    Frankly speaking, the majority of what you posted, Safe mou, sounds very westernized (as opposed to the Oriental that you mentioned in your post), like a Greek version of what can be heard in so many countries. So this felt a bit disappointing. Except for some male voices that had a Greek flavour to them (I'd be in real a trouble to explain why I feel that but their tembre and colour is Greek to me), I felt there was nothing oustandingly Greek in this music... I'd rather call them pan-Mediterranean (since I could see traces of Italian, Portuguese and French music there). But then I can't understand the words, so I'm at a disadvantage here...

    From the vids you suggested three made my heart beat faster and these were:



    nice video, too; it seems to correspond with the lyrics - is it so?



    (instrumental) - this one appealed to me the most



    I'm sorry if I disappointed you.
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    Paul,

    the fingerprint of the "Greek" music is very difficult to be defined 100%. Anything that doesn't sound "Oriental", may sound "Western" to the foreign (non Greek) listener.

    Haris & Panos Katsimihas and Πυξ-Λαξ are "floating" above Rock and Pop styles, but it's very different than listening to Dire Straits or Bruce Springsteen.

    Take another example: the Italian Eros Ramazzotti. If you were to categorize his music you'd say that it's Pop. I'd agree that it is...but it's Italian Pop. Has something in it the differentiates it from the Western (mostly British and American) Pop scene.

    But again, at the end of my previous post, i pinpointed that the present Greek music that is not "Oriental" is certainly a kind of Rock or Pop.

    But, listen once more (for example) the track of Nama i posted days ago here...Can you categorize that track as either Pop or rock? I can't.

    Pure "Greek" music can be thought only the traditional folk Greek music... But by saying that, we narrow the boundaries of Greek music too much...

    Of course as you said, music is a personal taste and matter. Since it satisfies your senses, it's fine.

    Most Greek people don't care about the influences of a so called Greek song can have...But for me it's not like that exactly...
    Music is not only music. It's a way of life too.

    Did you ever see a Jazz lover hoping upon a table and dance on it? I didn't. And to me, the primary purpose of a table is to put my food on it and eat... !

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    Quote Originally Posted by safe1 View Post
    Paul,

    Haris & Panos Katsimihas and Πυξ-Λαξ are "floating" above Rock and Pop styles, but it's very different than listening to Dire Straits or Bruce Springsteen.
    The artists you chose for comparison are very distant from the music you proposed so it's easy to say it's different.
    But if you compare them to other artists you'll see they're not that different. See below.

    Quote Originally Posted by safe1
    Take another example: the Italian Eros Ramazzotti. If you were to categorize his music you'd say that it's Pop. I'd agree that it is...but it's Italian Pop. Has something in it the differentiates it from the Western (mostly British and American) Pop scene.
    Well, that's exactly what I've been missing in the recordings you posted - they have nothing that would suggest their greekness. When I listen to Eros I not only hear Italian words being sung I can also feel it's Italian. The same happens with any Turkish pop or rock song, no matter how westernized this song might be 'cos the Turkish soul is inside it. The same is with the French music.

    Here I'm in trouble to sense it - I hear Greek words, I can't feel the Greek soul.

    For example, Haris & Panos sound Italian to me. Like Zuchero combined with Eros with some jazzy undertones. Pix Lax's song reminds me of the French/Corsican group I Muvrini. At first I even thought it's a cover of one of their songs.

    *|*|*|*|*|

    To me music is ... music. A univeral language that can speak to people under each latitude, even if they do not understand the words being sung.
    Way of life? Hmmm, for sure, to some of those who live on playing and singing this is a way of life. But for the listener? I wouldn't risk such opinions.

    *|*|*|*|*|

    Finally: "Did you ever see a jazz lover hopping upon a table and dance on it?"

    Well, Safe, "it all depends on the amount of vodka that you will drink", as we say here. And BTW, have you asked those who were hopping on tables about their music tastes? Who knows, maybe some of them love jazz, too.
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    To both of you:

    Hopping! It's hopping, not hoping! Hoping is something entirely different!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mixalopoulos View Post
    To both of you:

    Hopping! It's hopping, not hoping! Hoping is something entirely different!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mixalopoulos View Post
    To both of you:

    Hopping! It's hopping, not hoping! Hoping is something entirely different!
    LMFAO!!!

    How can anyone not love you, Mixa mou?!!!! Spot on, as usual!

    You've just taken a little needle and touched two balloons with it!!!

    That's what I call a GREEK spirit!

    Duly corrected in my post. Now it's safe's turn to correct his.

    Kalispera filo mou!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Orhan View Post
    LMFAO!!!

    How can anyone not love you, Mixa mou?!!!! Spot on, as usual!

    You've just taken a little needle and touched two baloons with it!!!

    That's what I call a GREEK spirit!

    Duly corrected in my post. Now it's safe's turn to correct his.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Orhan View Post
    LMFAO!!!

    How can anyone not love you, Mixa mou?!!!! Spot on, as usual!

    You've just taken a little needle and touched two baloons with it!!!

    That's what I call a GREEK spirit!

    Duly corrected in my post. Now it's safe's turn to correct his.

    Kalispera filo mou!
    Sorry but I've got to do it. BALLOONS, it's BALLOONS not baloons.
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    Wink I want to dedicate this GREEK song to Frankie...Amaryn...Paul and Mixa



    This is my favorite delivery....naked...clear... honest and pure

    I can trace the sound move in the vocal apparatus...

    Just love Mixalis ..... in 2:39 there is a proof of this song being recorded in one take...

    He had to clear his throat...and didn't and it makes it even more real
    and .....well...it's mixalis and me....so there's magic there for me.
    This is where it all happens . the magic of music ..in the meeting of souls.

    which makes all .....futile and redundent
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