The flame, the sword! (Les Misérables - Stars)

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  1. Erlend Johan Alvestad's Avatar

    Erlend Johan Alvestad said:

    Question The flame, the sword! (Les Misérables - Stars)

    The first two verses of "Stars", sung by the policeman Javert:

    There, out in the darkness
    A fugitive running
    Fallen from god
    Fallen from grace
    God be my witness
    I never shall yield
    Till we come face to face
    Till we come face to face

    He knows his way in the dark
    Mine is the way of the Lord
    And those who follow the path of the righteous
    Shall have their reward
    And if they fall
    As Lucifer fell
    The flame
    The sword!


    I'd love some help with answering the following question: Are the last two lines a reference to the Cherub guarding the entrance to the garden of Eden (Genesis 3:24)?
  2. TEVOLI said:

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    Hmmm....I believe that Lucifer fell before Eden was created, and I also think the flame and sword guarding Eden were there to prevent anyone from entering it again....

    I think in the case of this song, the flame and sword are ones that could cast people out of heaven, or out of God's presence or favor and into some kind of condemnation, as Javert wanted to cast Valjean into prison and possibly even death.
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    Erlend Johan Alvestad said:

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    That makes perfect sense. I was wondering because the flame and the sword seemed like very specific references, and I thought I might be able to find the origin.
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    bluejacket said:

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    Yes that's right - in some traditions the Archangel Uriel was the one whom God set to guard the gates of Eden with a flaming sword after Adam and Eve were expelled.....In the eastern tradition the flaming sword is also the emblem of exclusion from Heaven.

    If they fall
    As Lucifer fell ( for 'as' read 'just as' that is, ' If they fall in the same way as Lucifer fell')
    Flame and Sword - (that's is, the transgressors reward shall be the Flame and the Sword - exclusion from Paradise. It is the antithesis (opposite) of the earlier line that the righteous shall have their reward (ie Heaven)
    Last edited by bluejacket; 10-17-2012 at 03:51 AM.
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    Erlend Johan Alvestad said:

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    That correlates perfectly with the bridge:

    And so it has been and so it is written
    On the doorway to paradise
    That those who falter and those who fall
    Must pay the price!

    Thanks for the help
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