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    Quote Originally Posted by David Halitsky View Post
    Στίχοι: Φώτης Μιχαλάτος
    Μουσική: Γιώργος Μουζάκης
    http://www.stixoi.info/stixoi.php?in...&song_id=54898
    (sorry - can't find a youtube clip)

    I was lucky: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2QM2gFt_7E

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    Thanks for finding the youtube for Ο παραμυθάς , Tahira.

    Also, I hope you know I was only kidding about the "comments" - but thanks for explaining how you feel about them. The only reason I read them is because they can be good practice in translating Greek to English.

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    This is a very interesting one, Tahira. You can hear the "karsilama-like" accentuation in either youtube I linked to.

    Ο ψαράς - 1946
    Στίχοι: Γιώργος Μητσάκης
    Μουσική: Γιώργος Μητσάκης
    http://www.stixoi.info/stixoi.php?in...&song_id=10203
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDvTbYcAOlk (try this one)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTbj8IhpX3g (or this one)

    And this is a pretty little one sung by Violaris:

    Να της πείτε κατεπάνιοι χαιρετίσματα - 1971
    Στίχοι: Σώτια Τσώτου
    Μουσική: Γιώργος Κριμιζάκης
    http://www.stixoi.info/stixoi.php?in...&song_id=57518
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t48fGwzdmTU

    (Remember - he's the Cypriot singer, which may partly account for the "feel" of this song ...
    Last edited by David Halitsky; 01-15-2015 at 01:34 PM.

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    Tahira - this one is NOT another zeibekiko "accented like a karsilama".

    Οι αμαρτίες μου - 1973
    Στίχοι: Σέβη Τηλιακού
    Μουσική: Ζακ Ιακωβίδης
    http://www.stixoi.info/stixoi.php?in...&song_id=14304
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tnhIjRWivQ

    The reason I'm bringing it to your attention is because I know you're a dancer, and I thought you'd appreciate this one because it has such an unusual "tango" feel to it - partly because of the accompaniment and partly because of the melody.

    What I mean is that this one "counts" exactly like a standard zeibekiko, but it winds up with a very "tango" feel to it.

    Do you hear what I mean? My sister is a semi-pro tango dancer and she says you could overlay tango steps on this, even though the actual beat is not tango.
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    I know exactly what you mean, and you are right.
    Unfortunatelly I do not know how to Dance Tango. I once learned the Basic step of Standard Tango when I was a Teenager. But I forgot about it.

    I think its the drums and the tempo in this Songs which lets the Tango feel come up, as Tango rhythm is 2/4 or 4/4 rhythm.

    There are some Trends in belly dancing to combine oriental dance with Tango, but I never attended a class.

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    Here's another Greek 9/8 accented like karsilama -

    Στου Θωμά - 1983
    Στίχοι: Κώστας Φέρρης
    Μουσική: Σταύρος Ξαρχάκος
    http://www.stixoi.info/stixoi.php?in...ls&song_id=536
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDoetQlDU0c

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    Ανεβαίνω σκαλοπάτια - 1985
    Στίχοι: Απόστολος Καλδάρας
    Μουσική: Απόστολος Καλδάρας
    http://www.stixoi.info/stixoi.php?in...&song_id=31748
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB25IDfKGUA

    In this one the "karsilama" accentuation is very subtle, but it is still there. I would say this is "half-way" between standard zeibekiko accentuation and "karsilama" accentuation.

    Bravo Kaldaras !!!!

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    Glenti 101.1 FM

    Κλάψε σήμερα καρδιά μου - 1962
    Β. Τσιτσάνης
    http://www.stixoi.info/stixoi.php?in...&song_id=19048
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3tUNJvh11Q

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    Of course, Markos also played zeibekika with the accentuation we're familiar with today. If anyone doubts this, here's an example:

    Live365 Radio Rainbow Greece

    Χρόνια στον Περαία ( Χρόνια μες στην Τρούμπα ) - 1936
    Στίχοι: Μάρκος Βαμβακάρης
    Μουσική: Μάρκος Βαμβακάρης
    http://www.stixoi.info/stixoi.php?in...s&song_id=4798
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReQAxX7Anvw

    So ... to Markos, a zeibekiko with today's beat and a zeibekiko accentuated like a karsilama were clearly TWO DIFFERENT kinds of 9/8 rhythm.

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    Here is Markos playing an "inversion" of the karsilama-accented 9/8. Instead of DUM DUM DUM tak tak tak,he uses the tak tak tak to "run up to" the DUM DUM DUM in the melody:

    tak tak tak DUM DUM DUM

    Αντιλαλούν οι φυλακές - 1936
    Στίχοι: Μάρκος Βαμβακάρης
    Μουσική: Μάρκος Βαμβακάρης
    http://www.stixoi.info/stixoi.php?in...ls&song_id=822
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxcpVcYdYsw

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    Χίλιες να `χω - 1983
    Στίχοι: Λευτέρης Χαψιάδης
    Μουσική: Χρήστος Νικολόπουλος
    http://www.stixoi.info/stixoi.php?in...&song_id=23288
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRFD1e2oeOo

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    Κάψτε κάψτε - 1975
    Στίχοι: Πυθαγόρας
    Μουσική: Χρήστος Νικολόπουλος
    http://www.stixoi.info/stixoi.php?in...&song_id=14357
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx0KUZ0AFCI

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