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    Senior Member David Halitsky's Avatar
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    Default I'm looking for any Greek song part hasapiko and part tsiftetelli

    I'm looking for any Greek laiko (old or new) that switches back and forth between hasapiko and tsiftetelli rhythm - like one verse hasapiko, then a verse tstiftetelli, etc.

    Can anyone think of an example of a song like this?

    I don't think this kind of rhythm switching has ever been tried in the same song, but maybe someone can think of one.

    Thanks as always for considering this question.

    P.S: this kind of rhythm-switching can be done successfully in certain kinds of US songs, for example:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/4kw81h7u0l..._1999.mp3?dl=0

    But like I said, I'm not sure if it's ever been tried in Greek music.
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    Interesting question!

    I know rhythm changes in arabic Music; and I also know some german Songs with ryhtm changes also some english Songs; but I do not remember any greek song.

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    Tahira - I have found a hasapiko song where you can tap tsiftetelli rhythm to the bouzoukee breaks inside the song

    In particular, the dancers in this clip are obviously dancing a hasapiko

    Άλλα μου λεν τα μάτια σου - 1959
    Θόδωρος Δερβενιώτης
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxvavq7cT3s

    So this famous song must be classified as a hasapiko.

    But listen to the bouzoukee breaks at

    1:00 - 1:19

    and

    1:58 - 2:17

    You can tap tsiftetelli rhythm to these breaks, BUT!!! - you must tap the tsiftetelli rhythm half-time (meaning twice as slow as the actual tempo of the song itself.)

    Try it and see if you agree with me here ...

    And also, notice that in the Panou recording of the same song ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADSou3bHuHY

    you can pretty much tap tsiftetelli HALF-TIME throughout the whole song, not jut during the bouzoukee breaks ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Halitsky View Post
    In particular, the dancers in this clip are obviously dancing a hasapiko
    You're joking aren't you?
    It's a hassaposerviko.
    "Gilgamesh, where are you hurrying to?
    You will never find that life for which you are looking.
    When the gods created man they allotted to him death,
    but life they retained in their own keeping"

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    Oops! Sorry, Amethystos! Did I name the dance wrong? I guess I did.

    But that doesn't change the point I was trying to make about the rhythm:

    1----2----3----4----1----2----3----4| 2 measures of hassaposerviko (song tempo)
    DUM--da--------da---DUM-------DUM---| 1 measure half-time tsiftetelli
    1-------------------3---------4-----|

    (make sure to view the above three lines in a fixed font like "Courier New".)

    This diagram shows that IF you want to, you can superimpose a "half-time" tsiftetelli on the hassaposerviko beat.

    And of course, the interesting question is why you would want to ....

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    I can see and I can understand what you mean, and I can follow your explanations, but I would not have recognized it as a rhythm Change as the tempo of the song stays the same. For my inner feeling ist not a rhythm Change.
    But thats just my personal opinion, and I am not a musician.

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    No no - you are correct, Tahira.

    As you say, there IS no rhythm change - the song stays in hasapiko/hassaposerviko rhythm all the way thru.

    I was just pointing out that because of the way the musicians play the hassapiko rhythm, a tsiftetelli rhythm is compatible with the song in certain places.

    So don't worry about not being a musician - your instincts were correct - I just didn't express myself very well.
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    Tsifteteli has many names of the ways and technics (magiore - usak - heetzaz - sabah etc.) So you can be easily confuse.
    Αν υπάρχει κάτι που δεν χρειάζεται την πλειοψηφία για να είναι σωστό, αυτό είναι η ανθρώπινη συνείδηση.

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