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    I don't want to beat the subject of English to death ... and I need to stay away from this stupid computer! ...

    But no one has mentioned Australian English, or Scots, or Canadian, and there is only 1 mention of Irish. And they all have lovely little differences

    My family heritage is Scot, and of course the Irish are my close cousins, so how about a sweet Gaelic brogue? To me it's fascinating, strong but musical, and extremely hard to imitate.

    So, my list of 5 favorites is now more like 10

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    UK pronunciation is so much better.

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    I love Greek, I just wish I knew how to speak it.

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    I think you'll find that the language spoken in Ireland, Scotland, Wales, USA, Austrailia and many others who speak it is called ENGLISH - It's the same language but you're mistaking that for the regional DIALECT.

    Many places will make differences to the English version depending on their own country's way of pronouncing things or (in the case of USA) spelling things but it's all the same language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jester View Post
    ... but you're mistaking that for the regional DIALECT ....
    Not "mistaking" ... I'm just referring to the pronunciation aspect. And for many of our friends, UK pronunciation is highly significant.

    But in my mind, Scots/Irish Gaelic goes far beyond dialect. It's hugely about pronunciation, as our friends refer to so often ... but it's really so much more than anything that we can label.

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    the Irish speak the English Language but also Irish
    Gaelic is different to Irish.


    And I am right... The dialect and accent is not the language so apart from differences in pronounciation, all those countries speak the ENGLISH language.

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    ........... ..... I know that the Irish speak English .................

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    Yes but they also speak a language called Irish which is similar to Gaelic but not Gaelic.

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    Just to avoid any confusion. Irish language is officially called Gaelic. There is only one Gaelic language spoken in Ireland, accent may wary of course. Nowadays English is spoken and thought at schools in the East part of Ireland, although Gaelic is a compulsory subject at school to keep the language "alive".

    I also agree with the statement that English is English everywhere, but you wouldn't believe how difficult it is sometimes for Irish and Americans to communicate on the phone.

    Similar applies to Scottish...But there's no compulsory "Scottish" thought at schools and the original Scottish language is not used anymore, as for my knowledge. I find it very funny though when they speak English and the accent is just driving me mad Or for instance, they pronounce number 6 as "sex" instead of "six"

    Regarding grammar in Ireland, there are also some differences which is simply because the Irish are influenced by their Gaelic (even if they don't speak it after finishing school)...

    Of course it takes a while to get used to it , but once you do, you don't notice those differences anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nene View Post
    Similar applies to Scottish...But there's no compulsory "Scottish" thought at schools and the original Scottish language is not used anymore, as for my knowledge.
    After dicscusion with a Scottish friend of mine, I'd like to correct the above...The Scottish Gaelic is compulsory in SOME schools and it's still used in some parts of Scotland .

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    Nene, thank you for your great comments and your masterful insights! My heritage is Scot (and thus my interest), and I love to study the relevant history. I think it's wonderful that neither Irish or Scots Gaelic are not allowed to die. Just as in music, but even more, history is preserved in language.

    My family, I think, is from MacLeod. But they immigated to the U.S. through Ireland, maybe even 1 or 2 generations later. And clan history is so complicated anyway .... so who can say for sure?

    Anyway, thanks again!!

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    You're more than welcome, Jandros!
    Honestly, I find the history of Ireland and Great Britain quite interesting as it is so much different from the rest of the Europe.
    Let's hope the the languages won't disappear!

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    I love it that you know five different languages. I love English language and Arabic language, but the other three is difficult but i loved to learn that three languages.
    The other languages like German, Spanish and French is very difficult but i loved learn that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickylexi View Post
    I love it that you know five different languages. ....
    But I don't know 5 languages .... unless I can count U.S. English, Irish English, Australian English ....

    Maybe everyone else here can speak, read or write 5 or more languages. But other than my native English, I only know some Spanish and very little Russian. I think (I hope!) that we're just voting on the beauty of spoken languages that we can recognize.

    So: Welcome to the club!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nene View Post
    ...Let's hope the the languages won't disappear!
    Let's hope there are always a few who will make it their life's mission!

    You know about a "404" error? You get it when a web page is not there ... I found this ::

    plain English version: The page that you're looking for cannot be found.
    almost-plain English: It's all lost and stoof.
    Australian: Strewth mate, yer bloody page has shot through.
    Lancaster: Weers yon page geet to? T'int 'ere!
    Yorkshire: Sithi, it's noreer, issit????

    ... please don't shoot me, I just copied them .....

    Irish Gaelic?: Níl an leathanach atá uait anseo.
    Scottish Gaelic?: Chan eil duilleag an seo a charaid.
    Doric Scottish: Fit page?? We divnae hae it.
    Ulster Scottish: Ah cannae find it. Yeu hae loast it.

    And on my side of the ocean:
    Michigan: That file is cow's-legs-up.
    Pittsburgh, PA: This page needs fixed n'at. It's all caddywhompus! Yinz needs look somewheres else.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nene View Post
    Just to avoid any confusion. Irish language is officially called Gaelic.
    It's Irish Gaelic.

    They also have an older language which isn't taught as much in schools but the kids learn it if they want to.


    My family's from Dublin.


    And the reason some American's can't communicate with us over the telephone is because they've shot English down to the ground with slang and their own spellings of words...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jandros View Post
    But I don't know 5 languages .... unless I can count U.S. English, Irish English, Australian English ....
    Sadly, you're unilingual, but good try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by istanbulgal View Post
    Sadly, you're unilingual...
    Oi ...... ya probuyu vyuchit'sya ....... pero, soy lento en la cabeza

    In my country it's hard to learn any language, except Spanish and maybe French, because it's usually such an isolated effort. But my new best friend in the U.S. is from Poland, so now I'm trying to learn Polish ... and I have a friend in Siberia, so I learn Russian ... and also Ukrainian, so Ukrainian .... and I used to know some Turkish, when I was there, but it's been more than 20 years. I forget.

    I consider Europeans to be lucky, fortunate, because the language opportunities are so rich. And I'm not young anymore. So for me it's a real struggle.

    But I enjoy the effort!!! And I love this thread
    Last edited by jandros; 06-24-2008 at 07:58 AM.

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    You'll find that, because of the border countries, Europeans will at least have a try at other languages whereas Americans will not (unless their families are Polish or Slovakian or Mexican or whatever).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jandros View Post
    Let's hope there are always a few who will make it their life's mission!

    You know about a "404" error? You get it when a web page is not there ... I found this ::

    plain English version: The page that you're looking for cannot be found.
    almost-plain English: It's all lost and stoof.
    Australian: Strewth mate, yer bloody page has shot through.
    Lancaster: Weers yon page geet to? T'int 'ere!
    Yorkshire: Sithi, it's noreer, issit????

    ... please don't shoot me, I just copied them .....

    Irish Gaelic?: Níl an leathanach atá uait anseo.
    Scottish Gaelic?: Chan eil duilleag an seo a charaid.
    Doric Scottish: Fit page?? We divnae hae it.
    Ulster Scottish: Ah cannae find it. Yeu hae loast it.

    And on my side of the ocean:
    Michigan: That file is cow's-legs-up.
    Pittsburgh, PA: This page needs fixed n'at. It's all caddywhompus! Yinz needs look somewheres else.
    That's brilliant! I had a great laugh!
    I have to admit, I recognize some parts of it, especially the Scottish (as my boss is from Scotland) and the Australian (he...who wouldn't?)

    Thanks for that! You made my day!!!

    As for the differences between the American and other English, I would say there is some advantages in both. I mean if the American one is considered to be simplified, then it must have happened for a reason. Therefore, I can understand why people like one or the other. It's up to each one of us
    Mivel mindig az okos enged, már rég a hülyék uralkodnak...

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