Originally Posted by
JoePudpounder
Masturbation is not and has never been a sinful except when pronounced by some religious authority; particularly Catholicism. I have read every one of the postings to this message board and see nothing but conflict and misinformation. How can people actually learn if there is no an aligned force of instructors who teach the morals and dogmas, the true understanding of something and any potential ramifications.
I am 19 years old and have been masturbating since I was 13 when I first actually ejaculated. There is nothing to it other than it feels good and it has helped me control the usual guy problem of premature ejaculation. I have done it with friends of both genders. Girls are more inquisitive and enjoy watching it because it is something that is solely male. I belong to a masturbation group that meets whenever we feel like it and it includes both genders who just want to give a show of their pleasure or get a charge out of being watched and they do it.
When I was in high school I was just like many other guys who were Varsity athletes in two sports who just liked doing it. I taught my younger brothers how to do it along with many others guys. Most guys just need to get past the self consciousness part and they find no problem completing it. I am repulsed by pornography and about as racy as I get in print form is Maxim Magazine and I respect and appreciate the female mind and its connection to sex and meaningful relationships. Now please DO NOT JUDGE ME, but I have masturbated on several occasions with my older sister and she taught me a few things about girls. We did it a few times but when I finally got so caught up in the moment and let her masturbate me to ejaculation I could feel the wrongfulness of the action. She just giggled and now we just quietly joke about it, but will never do it again.
I am a Christial and have been saved. I attend an Assemblies of God Church where the hell fire and brimstone messages really appeal to me. There are times when I just succumb to what I can say is nothing but lust and fantasy and I masturbate in the nearby forest and orange groves just to feel the freedom of open air and I guess a bit of rebellion. I often pretend I am being watched by a couple, but never in a million years would I ever do it where anyone could really see me.
I have researched it in the bible and through commentaries, discussions with my professors at Azusa Pacific University and internet discussion boards which is how I found this forum. I do not feel nor can I ever support the position that masturbation is sinful in nature at all. Private thoughts and fantasies are just that - private! The Onanism thing is grossly out of context just as is the issue of women using birth control in the Catholic Church. There is nothing adulterous or prurient about thinking of an woman; even if she is the hot married mom down the street, unless one is weak and unable to control one's own passions and tries to act upon the thoughts. Like I said, I'm 19 and I am amazed how many older women in their 30s are infatuated and curious about teenagers and they are the ones who usually make the first move. A few months ago my friends and I were surfing when two women -both 32- and on vacation here asked us if we wanted to "throw caution to the wind and just have some meaningless vacation. When I found out that the one I found most attractive was married with a family in Oklahoma I shut that whole thing down! My friend was OK with it.
We talked about religion and politics of sex, a conversation which they initiated and especially about the masturbation as sin issue. Both were practicing Roman Catholics. When my friend and I sneaked off with each of them into a room by ourselves I was very surprised that her thing was wanting to watch me ejaculate. Her boyfriends were all Catholic and very inhibited and the only way she had seen it happen was in a video. I explained how porn disgusts me and we talked about it and how it related to sin. It was actually one of the deepest and most interesting converation I ever had with a woman. Of course she was not an 18-19 year old inexperienced bimbo either and that was refreshing. I did it for her and she seemed genuinely open and curious because while I was doing it the first time we talked about things. No other touching that time. About a half hour later she did it for me and then asked me if I wanted to watch her do it. It was definitely an experience and I finally understood the whole girl pleasure thing and of course the "G-Spot" which I still do not get very well. We ended up having sex a couple times and then parted ways. She would not give me her number or where they were staying and I'm still pretty sure her name "Amber" was bogus too.
After it was all over I did feel like a hollow being for a while and now I understand what girls go through when they are used for sex without any commitment or at least fulfillment and I have promised myself I will never do it that way again. I think I was infatuated with her looks and her body and it felt like I had just broken up with her. That was the only feelings and guilt I had, more than ever before. I felt that was God talking to me and telling me enough was enough! I've really become a different person; a better person because of masturbation, but I'm still positive there is nothing sinful about it. Of course the whole fornication issue and the admonishments of Ephesians deepened my thoughts and I really felt bad about the night except the masturbation part. I felt I did something nice and strangely fun for her and it satisfied her curiosity I guess. So after all this babbling, rambling and rationalization I thank you for reading it and that it provokes theoughts in your mind over the sin vs. no sin debate in your own mind.
I love the Lord and would never again complicate my walk with him I think you can reply to me via E-mail where I will gladly answer any of your questions in a serious and direct fashion, despite my humorous screen name. Good bye for now,
Kevin