Povia - Luca Era Gay

Originally Posted by Roberto_d

My English isn't good, but I'm hoping to say what is in my mind.

I don’t' want to discuss with any one. In my opinion all unnatural things are harmful for men and I believe that homosexuality is an unnatural thing.
Could you imagine a world with all homosexual? No, because that world could not be exist!

A lot of animal species practice homosexuality.....
So homosexuality is not unnatural 'cause animals are not unnatural (it's impossible!)

dear Jess, I write to you from poland, actually I have no idea why am I doing it. I noticed your posts which are very anti povia's song. I also don't know what is your knowledge about homosexuality so I can't understand why you insist so much and criticise what is he singing about??! first of all, I am a gay, I should rather say ex-gay. My path was exactly the same like povia's but for better digging to my real fillings I had to take a psychotherapy to return to my childhood and fix my relations with all the people around, especialy with myself. you have no idea how hard is to forgive your parents for what they have done, even if you know that they loved you, but when you are 3-5 years old your concious is not working properly and it will always say that you are not worth of parent's love, especialy father's love. Homosexuality is a normal lack, deficiency of homoemitional love which is transformed into desire while you are growing up. it's easy! you desire of what you did not expirience.
every child need to have equal level of love and affection from both of parents. of course you might say why exactly this boy not his brother, well it's already individual personality case, one is more sensitive. my therapiest used to say at the beginning ( couse I was not sure who is right, or maybe I should accept myself as a gay?) : why there is so many homosexual gays in opposite to homosexual girls?? it should not be like this if we assume homosexuality as a normal ,but in fact it is, there is at least double gays than lesbians.
In my psychotherapy group there is 16 boys like me and what is common for us - very low self-assessment, addiction to masturbating, porno which is a symptom of neurosis ( more you can find in aardveg "homosexuality and hope" or " battle for normalcy")
this information you won't find anywhere else couse gay lifistyle is a huge business. it's better to promote it. you can call me a homophob but I'm not, one of my best friend is gay and I accept him, although he is aware of his past but it's his choice and I tolerate him.
wow, long email, I'm impressed;-)
greetings from cold krakow!!
m.

Dear Misha, I am sorry to hear that you have some problems and I hope that you can feel better soon. Anyway, I have some friends who are gay and they feel a bit upset about Povia's words and they explained me why. Even if I'm not homosexual, I think I can have an opinion about all this and I'm sorry if it's not like yours but I still don't think that homosexuality is an illness and I will never think it. Homosexuality has always existed and it will always exist.And I can also say that there are homosexuals who are happy of their life, who don't feel ill and who don't think that they have problems. It depends maybe from person to person.From your words it seems that homosexuals love people of the same sex because they had a lack of love from their mother/father...I really don't think so...there are lots of people who grew up only with one of their parents and they are not gay....so maybe the reason why someone is homosexual is another...and why should we be so presumptuos to try to find a reason why someone does this or that?! In my opinion "to tolerate" someone has a negative nuance..because if I tolerate someone it means that I "bear" him/her...personally I prefer to use the word "respect" but it's just an opinion...
I repeat: I can respect opinions which can be different from mine, I can respect yours as well, but I really cannot change my opinion because I still don't think that homosexuals are ill or have problems.Thank you for your post and for having told me your opinion.
Take care and I wish you all the best

Originally Posted by Roberto_d

Could you imagine a world with all homosexual?

lol...i heard a joke the other day about that....

im not causing offence here. IT IS A JOKE....

!. what would a world with all homosexual people be like?

2. a PAIN IN THE ARS3

lol...i find it quite funny

hi I am not italian however i understand italian very well and all i can say is that poeple so too much into this song...

all it is, is a story about a person coming a difficult background and trying to find himself. throughout his life at some point he was gay however this song has made such a big deal cause alot of poeple are just paraniod.

for me this is just a song about Luca who had alot of problems when he was young, which brought him to an identity crises and at a time in his life was gay, however he managed to find a women he loved and that helped him to build a family unlike what his parents did in his case.

when he talks about illness and healing he specifies that in his case it was NO ILLNESS AND NO HEALING...which means that all he is saying is that he will not refer to the part of his life when he was gay as one of both....

Now i don't know if i am not understanding something but no one needed to get offended and i think this song is amazing!!!!

So, it's been a very long time since someone has posted to this thread. Firstly, I am gay. Secondly, I study Italian, and I study the use of languages as well. Let me say that as a completely, 100%, guy-loving gay man...I love this song. The reason the "gay activists" got upset over this song is because they get upset over everything. I am not a supporter of gay activism, and prefer that people typically stay out of my business.

Stated in the song..."Questa è la mia storia...solo la mia storia...nessuna malattia...nessuna guarigione" he does more than just state that it's only Luca's story: he negates a stereotype that has spurred homophobia. These stereotypes are that all gay people have diseases. With the discovery of AIDS, people associate it only with gay people and have come to assume that most gay people have it. Of course, this is my perspective on the words. I can see how some can assume that "not a single disease" could refer to homosexuality as being the disease. I just don't see it that way.

I believe also that there *is* the possibility that overbearing maternal presence can lead to a false sense of feeling like you are homosexual. The logic is not completely fallable. That said, Povia singing about a boy, whose father was never around, and whose mother was overbearing. He comes to look for that paternal presence in an "older" guy (I wouldn't translate "un uomo grande" as a "big man". He was merely making the song lyrics easier because it would have been hard to fit in "un uomo più vecchio di me"). Look at the lyrics...he was talking about right around puberty (poi arrivò la maturità). He was still a young guy.

Another thing that I would like to point out is that Italian mothers are MUCH more prominent in the lives of their sons than in other cultures. For this, and for other reasons including cost of living, Italian families have "mammoni" or "momma's boys". Another true aspect of being a son in this environment is that no girl will ever meet the expectations of the mother (as stated in other words in the song) as well as no girl will do as much for the guy as the mother does (laundry, cleaning, etc.) In the song he states that he felt that being with men was right in the sense that then he would not betray his mother (who would never be happy with any girl he might have brought home).

To me, this song tells of a beautiful and very difficult journey that some people take in life. To discount that is to discount all of these people that have to come to terms with this in their lives. It is all well and good to want to be seen and heard as gay, and to get noticed and make a difference and some changes...but you cannot say that someone can't be confused about what he/she likes. That is fallable logic.

personally I think all these discussions about this song are unnecessary.

Povia is a (poor) singer and composer that always spots a topic that is important to public opinion and writes a provocative song about it. It's his way to have success. This year he raped the story of Eluana Englaro to write his San Remo 2010 song, next year what will he rape?

So let's just take his songs as they come and let's not waste time by discussing them, for they show no real opinions but just a bunch of attention-seeking and hypocrit ideas...

...but sparking discussions about songs is what broadens a person's mind. If you just call all of Povia's songs trite and a "raping of someone's history," then you don't actually confront the material at hand. It's a cop-out from discussing a topic that people aren't comfortable with.

I call it that way cause I have analyzed the lyrics and I see it that way.

I just said that it's useless to fight over a commercial artist that writes commercial lyrics


EDIT: in italy this song was on tv for a LOT of months and they debated really a crapload about its being "a beautuful piece" or a "discriminating piece". It ended confirming that's just a commercial provocation cause no one ever talked about it again after it had burned out the interest people had in it.

My wish is that this song - that I consider a piece of trash, offensive trash too- is never ever ever taken as a serious example by no one.

I quote all of the posts left by Nereis and Jess31. In particular I wish to quote:

Originally Posted by Jess31

And I'm sorry to say that Povia belongs to the category of people who make songs which lasts for two months and then people forget them...You can't tell that "I bambini fanno ooooh" has great lyrics or "I piccioni fanno grrrr grrr" is an amazing song....These songs cannot make Povia a legend....but quite ridiculous......