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    Dear Orwa, I am sorry I've been busy lately and to be honest, "Read through the text" part kinda put me off.. I just can not bring myself to process any new information.. Needless to mention that the test reminds me of high school which can not be a good thing!
    Now I finally made myself go through it and I suppose I already passed such tests long ago but I still wonder if I did it right so... waiting around to see what are the correct answers

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    I even got till the listening part and stupid rapid wont let me download! "Unfortunately right now our servers are overloaded and we have no more download slots left for non-members. Of course you can also try again later." lol

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    I finished it at last
    Waiting for the answers too

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    Thank you spring & Xiurell, i'll close it & post our tests right after Mares says she finished

    @Spring, if you want me to send you the sound file by email it is ok, PM me your email & i'll send it to you & if you have another idea for sending, it is ok as well
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    Thanks Orwa. I eventually managed to download it

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    Great then dear Spring, it is all OK
    " Those that don't appreciate life..do not deserve life...how much blood are you willing to give to stay alive....live or die...make your choice... " ( Jigsaw)

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    I'll post answers to this test within the next 16 hours. I know a couple of people have been waiting for quite some time, but this is a very busy holiday season and this is a looooooong test

    This is a "last call" for anyone else who wants to give it a try .....
    Having problems with vertigo for 2-3 days ... it's temporary, a mild case and it will pass, but for now I can't stay on the computer as much as normal :-/ ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jandros View Post
    I'll post answers to this test within the next 16 hours. I know a couple of people have been waiting for quite some time, but this is a very busy holiday season and this is a looooooong test

    This is a "last call" for anyone else who wants to give it a try .....
    Take your time dear Jandros, take your time, whenever you have a very very free time you can answer the test, we are not in hurry (even though i am curious how much I'll score )

    Thank you very much for offering the help, you're one of the best without doubt
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    1- If she had known about his financial situation, she would have helped him out.

    2- I'll be looking after their cat while they are away on holiday.

    3- He made his children do their homework every afternoon.

    4- The test was so difficult she had problems finishing it on time.

    5- By the time she arrives, we will have finished our homework.

    6- She had finished lunch by the time we arrived.

    7- The sun set at 9 last night.

    8- When I stopped to speak to Mary, she was picking some flowers in her garden.

    9- Despite studying hard, he failed the exam.

    10- That room is being used for a meeting today.

    11- We used to play tennis every day when we were young.

    12- If I were you, I would wait a while to begin investing.

    13- He'll give you a call as soon as he arrives.

    14- I really didn't want to come last night. Neither did I.

    15- Do you think he knows what he wants ?

    * * * * *

    Complete the second sentence so that it is similar in meaning to the first. Use the word after the double slash (//) to complete the blank:

    1- You must never take your helmet off while you are riding a motorcycle.

    Helmets must be worn all the time or at all times when riding a motorcycle. // all

    2- They wanted to apologize for their behavior: that's why they paid for dinner.

    They paid for dinner in order to apologize for their behavior. // order

    3- It isn't necessary to bring skis as they are included in the package.

    You don't have to bring skis as they are included in the package. // have

    4- I thought parking was allowed here.

    I was under the impression that parking was allowed here. // under

    5- Tom said, "I will be playing tennis when you arrive.

    Tom said ?he would be playing? tennis when I arrived.

    6- When I was a child, we would go to the local park every Saturday afternoon.

    When I was a child, we used to go to the park every Saturday. // used

    7- His daughter continued to cry until he could not be seen any longer.

    She continued to cry until he was (or went) out of sight. // sight

    8- I'm afraid that car is just too expensive.

    That car is beyond my means. // means

    9- They moved to this suburb in 1997.

    They have lived in this suburb since 1997. // lived

    10- One other thing before I forget - Jack is coming to visit next weekend.

    By the way, Jack is coming to visit next weekend. // by

    11- They managed to finish the project in time for the presentation.

    They succeeded in finishing the project in time for the presentation. // succeeded

    12- Maurice didn't come to the meeting yesterday. Perhaps he was ill.

    Maurice might have been ill yesterday. // might

    13- Jane allows her children to stay up to midnight on Saturday evenings.

    Jane lets her children stay up late on Saturdays. // lets

    14- Luckily, Peter wasn't charged with an offense when the police caught him stealing the first time.

    Peter was very lucky because he got off for his first crime. // off

    15- Can I accompany you to the party?

    Do you mind if I come to the party? // mind

    * * * * *

    Choose the correct reported speech version of each statement. Each question has only one correct answer

    1- Tom said, 'I want to visit my friends this weekend.'

    Tom said he wanted to visit his friends this weekend.

    2- Jerry said, 'I'm studying English a lot at the moment.'

    Jerry said he was studying English a lot at that moment.

    Jerry said he was studying English a lot at the moment.

    3- They said, 'We've lived here for a long time.'

    They said they have lived there for a long time.

    They said they had lived there for a long time.

    4- He asked me, 'Have you finished reading the newspaper?'

    He asked me if I had finished reading the newspaper.

    5- 'I get up every morning at seven o'clock.', Peter said.

    Peter said he got up every morning at seven o'clock.

    6- Susan reassured me, 'I can come tonight.'

    Susan told me she could come that night.

    7- She said, 'I really wish I had bought that new car.'

    She told me she really wished she had bought that new car.

    8- Jack said, 'He must be guilty!'

    Jack said he must have been guilty.

    9- Cheryl asked her, 'How long have you lived here?'

    Cheryl asked her how long she had lived there.

    10- He said, 'I must get going. Otherwise, I'm going to be late.'

    He told me he had to get going. Otherwise, he was going to be late.

    * * * * *

    Put sentences in the right order:
    (Make sentences with these words in the right order, or Put these words in the right order in a sentence

    1- movies, action, everyone, not, exciting, likes

    Not everyone likes exciting action movies.

    2- library, usually, studies, Pablo, the, in

    Pablo usually studies in the library.

    3- car, just, Japanese, a, bought, beautiful, new, Larry

    Larry just bought a beautiful new Japanese car.

    4- Alice, sweet, smelling, Mike, a dozen, bought, red, roses

    Alice bought Mike a dozen sweet smelling red roses.

    5- early, has, tomorrow, meeting, Mary, important, morning, an

    Mary has an important meeting early tomorrow morning.

    6- Asian, beautiful, John, loves, women

    John loves beautiful Asian women.

    7- a, actor, old, Japanese, famous, is, He

    He is a famous old Japanese actor.

    8- The, tall, red, a, bank, building, is

    (If someone asks what the tall red building is...)
    The tall red building is a bank.

    (If someone asks where the bank is, or what it looks like...)
    The bank is a tall red building.

    9- shoes, wearing, like, comfortable, I, walking, old

    I like wearing comfortable old walking shoes.

    10- blue, Jim, vinyl, a, is, jacket, wearing

    Jim is wearing a blue vinyl jacket.

    * * * * *

    1- What is the hardest language ........

    Questions:

    1- The question of how hard a language is to learn is relevant to both first and second language acquisition.

    Right

    2- Portuguese is definitely easier than Chinese.

    Wrong

    3- A Japanese speaker may well find the Chinese writing system easier than a speaker of a European language.

    Right

    4- The Hungarian alphabet causes problems for British speakers.

    Wrong

    5- Hungarian is the hardest language in the world.

    Wrong

    6- Hungarian has as many cases as Tabassaran.

    Wrong

    7- Many British diplomats learn Tabassaran.

    Wrong

    8- The writer thinks that learning new writing systems is easy.

    Wrong

    * * * * *

    I still haven't had time to listen to the file ... hopefully this afternoon ...
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    Thanks jandros!

    I made two mistakes which I'm willing to admit:

    9- They moved to this suburb in 1997.
    They _lived_ in this suburb since 1997. // lived

    -------------------------------------------------- excuse: the "have with since" rule got lost in a hurry

    11- They managed to finish the project in time for the presentation.
    They _succeeded to finish_ the project in time for the presentation. // succeeded

    -------------------------------------------------- excuse: I have zero excuses for this because I know that succeeded goes with something-ing


    And some which I'm not willing to admit (<-- that's why my English teacher hated me)

    11- We ____________ tennis every day when we were young.

    used to play ()
    would play ()
    were playing ()
    were used to play ()


    I suppose there was a mistake in the test (missing "d" for used) so I chose the least awkward variant (were playing) which, although incorrect, sounded much better than We use to play tennis...

    1- Tom said, 'I want to visit my friends this weekend.'
    Tom said he wanted to visit his friends that weekend.

    - Doesn't this change to that in reported speech?

    4- Alice, sweet, smelling, Mike, a dozen, bought, red, roses
    Mike bought Alice a dozen sweet smelling red roses (I kinda assumed Mike was the gentleman )

    9- shoes, wearing, like, comfortable, I, walking, old
    I like wearing old comfortable walking shoes

    - why comfortable old and not old comfortable? maybe the order I chose would be more suitable if I was talking about some specific shoes? Like - I like wearing the old comfortable... ? or.. hm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spring View Post
    ...
    And some which I'm not willing to admit (<-- that's why my English teacher hated me)

    11- We ____________ tennis every day when we were young.

    used to play ()
    would play ()
    were playing ()
    were used to play ()


    I suppose there was a mistake in the test (missing "d" for used) ...
    Good eye! ... I missed that mistake entirely.
    This is something that might also be spoken or heard incorrectly quite often, because most people don't enunciate the 'd" very clearly. It just fades into the "t" in "to".
    And since the test was wrong, this question should be thrown out. Or, if someone was brilliant enough to spot the error in the test, that deserves extra credit

    Quote Originally Posted by Spring View Post
    1- Tom said, 'I want to visit my friends this weekend.'
    Tom said he wanted to visit his friends that weekend.

    - Doesn't this change to that in reported speech?
    Your choice is most correct, I'm sure. I can only explain my non-answer by saying that if the weekend has not arrived (or isn't finished) iyet, it would be ok to say "this" weekend.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spring View Post
    4- Alice, sweet, smelling, Mike, a dozen, bought, red, roses
    Mike bought Alice a dozen sweet smelling red roses (I kinda assumed Mike was the gentleman )
    Silly me ... you are absolutely right again, and color me red ... I took the easy/obvious route ... 'Alice' was listed first, so that's where I started the sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by Spring View Post
    9- shoes, wearing, like, comfortable, I, walking, old
    I like wearing old comfortable walking shoes

    - why comfortable old and not old comfortable? maybe the order I chose would be more suitable if I was talking about some specific shoes? Like - I like wearing the old comfortable... ? or.. hm...
    I'm not sure if any rule can completely explain this with 100% clarity. But we can say that the most significant adjective is "walking" (a specific type of shoe, not a running shoe or a basketball shoe) ... modified by "old" ... old walking shoes ..... and old shoes might be comfortable or not, so "comfortable" modifies "old".

    Edit ...
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    Very nice work Spring, and great questions! And PPS, my English teacher hated me because I always waited until the very last minute to turn in my assignments ;-)
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    Thank you jandros! Especially because you took the time to deal with the test which is absolutely longishhhh!

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    This was my score

    Question 1 10/15
    Question 2 7/15 (I didn't undestand the question)
    Question 3 7/10
    Question 4 10/10 (I did by heart but I don't yet undertand the adjective order)
    Question 5 7/8

    Waiting for the solutions to the audio test (but I have no hope to have a good result)

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    You're welcome Spring, prego, de nada
    Sometimes it is a lot of "work", but it's always a "labor of love" because I really enjoy contributing something of value to this wonderful ATL forum

    Quote Originally Posted by xiurell View Post
    This was my score

    Question 1 10/15
    Question 2 7/15 (I didn't undestand the question)
    Question 3 7/10
    Question 4 10/10 (I did by heart but I don't yet undertand the adjective order)
    Question 5 7/8

    Waiting for the solutions to the audio test (but I have no hope to have a good result)
    Nice scores Xiurell! As for adjective order, two things:

    1. Of course it can be difficult, and it can take a lot of time and experience to master. Maybe a little more explanation will help, but don't be discouraged if it still takes more time and more head-scratching .... and btw, I also have the same big problem with Spanish adjectives

    2. For all: In my last post, I should not haved used the term "modify" to try to explain adjective order. Adjectives are "modified" by adverbs! I only meant to illustrate that the significance of each adjective should be considered.

    * * *

    But now, if we take the example of "new Japanese car" ... which adjective is the most significant? "New" or "Japanese"? This is the hardest to explain. But in this case, customarily, "Japanese" is more significant and therefore it is placed next to the noun.

    Maybe this should be continued in "Help With English", but just one more example here:

    a beautiful small red rose

    In the most common usage, red is the most descriptive, so it is placed next to the noun. But as for beautiful and small ...?...... again small is more definitely descriptive, whereas beautiful might only be an opinion. Therefore small should be closer to the noun.

    Btw, I don't really know if this idea about "significance" (importance) corresponds to how ESL is commonly taught. But it's the easiest way for me to explain it

    * * *

    I allowed myself to forget about the audio file. I'll try to post those results soon
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    Here's something that looks like a cool and simple explanation of Adjectives order and there are some fun exercises too: Adjective Order

    [totally proves my old comfortable idea was 100% WRONG because OPINION always goes before AGE]

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    Thank you Spring, a great useful web page to practice

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    Hello dears, thank you three for coming & the hugest thanks goes to Mr. Jandros, It was such a beautiful honor to have you here sir.

    I'll read the rest later, but now i'll be comparing my test to Mr. J's, but shall we consider his answers as a holy book? lol, there were some mistakes as i think

    10- That room _______________ for a meeting today.

    is used (√)
    is being used (X)
    used (X)
    is using (X)
    Can't it be "is used"?
    ----------------------------------------------------
    15- Do you think ___________ ?

    does he know what he wants (X)
    he knows what he wants (X)
    he knows what does he want (√)
    what he wants he knows (X)
    Excuse me, but i have been told in questions we could not add the "s", so i thought it could be the choice Nr. 3?, was it incorrect?
    ---------------------------------------------------
    4- I thought parking was allowed here.
    I _____ that parking was allowed here. // under
    I “Was under impression” that parking was allowed here.
    Can't it be like above?, without "the"?
    ---------------------------------------------------
    8- I'm afraid that car is just too expensive.
    That car is _____. // means
    That car is “Over means
    I couldn't understand what was the meaning by "mean" here, i only know one meaning for the word, but here it has another meaning.
    --------------------------------------------------
    14- Luckily, Peter wasn't charged with an offense when the police caught him stealing the first time.
    Peter was very lucky because he _____ for his first crime. // off
    Peter was very lucky because he “Hasn’t been off” for his first crime
    Was it incorrect as above?
    --------------------------------------------------
    15- Can I accompany you to the party?
    Do you _____ to the party? // mind
    Do you “Mind me coming” to the party?
    Was it incorret as above?
    --------------------------------------------------
    6- Susan reassured me, 'I can come tonight.'

    Susan told me I could come that night. (√)
    Susan told me she could come that night. (X)
    Susan told me she could come tomorrow evening. (X)
    Duh, what a stupid answer from myself?! lol
    --------------------------------------------------
    5- early, has, tomorrow, meeting, Mary, important, morning, an
    ( Tomorrow early morning Mary has an important meeting )
    The above way could be said, right?
    --------------------------------------------------
    For the old comfortable shoes, i was a lot different than you all, i made a very weird answer, so now i can say i got 13 mistake of 58 question, that mean i got 45 out of 58, a lot but there were a lot of "silly" mistakes.

    Once again thank you very very very very very much John, you are a piece of diamond & whenever you have some seconds please do the listening, later, not now.

    PS. Mr. J, there were some mistakes in your test, in the reading part question number one.

    1- the answer should be wrong because it does NOT apply to the 1st language, only the 2nd one.

    "the question of how hard a language is to learn is only relevant when learning a second language".

    2- in the question 3 part 15: the boy is not interested in the party so much, rather he is interested in being with the girl, so, the verb in the new sentence should be 'accompanying' and not 'come', was that right?
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    I tried to copy my teste & past it but it is seems like the forum isn't accepting, naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah , no problems
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    1. Did he a) already understand the problem when he spoke to her? b) Not understand the problem when he spoke to her?
    (b)

    2. Was I a) surprised by how kind the Germans were? b) Shocked by how rude they were?
    (b)

    3. Did Alice a) have someone clean house for her? b) Clean the house herself?
    (a)

    4. Has he taken a job? a) Yes b) no) c) maybe
    (c)

    5. Someone with a score of 55 usually ... a) doesn't pass the test. b) Passes the test.
    (a)

    6. The weather two days ago was probably ... a) stormy b) sunny
    (b)

    7. The settlers brought ... a) valuable gifts. b) Cheap objects.
    (b)

    8. Which statement is true? a) I am certain I am going to leave. b) I might leave c) I probably will leave
    (a) or possibly (c) ***

    9. What will I do when I finish dinner? a) pay for dinner b) ask my friend to pay for me c) put the bill on my credit card
    (a)

    10. Did Jack win the prize? a) No b) yes
    (a)

    *** To be certain is to indicate probability ... so it's hard for me to say which is most correct ... sorry
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    Great post Mr. J, very very nice, so in final i would say i got 53 out of 68 which means i got 53 / 68 = 0.78, 78%
    Not toooo bad but i was looking forward to get kind of 85%

    PS. for the "which statment is right:, i didn't use A nor i did with C, i picked B
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orwa View Post

    10- That room _______________ for a meeting today.

    is used (√)
    is being used (X)
    used (X)
    is using (X)
    Can't it be "is used"?
    No, sorry
    A present progressive verb is necessary here, because it involves continuation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orwa View Post
    15- Do you think ___________ ?

    does he know what he wants (X)
    he knows what he wants (X)
    he knows what does he want (√)
    what he wants he knows (X)
    Excuse me, but i have been told in questions we could not add the "s", so i thought it could be the choice Nr. 3?, was it incorrect?
    That's true for a question, but this is also a statement inside a question. There are 2 clauses in the sentence, and they can be separated into 2 separate sentences: "Do you think?" and "He knows what he wants." Maybe it will help if I add an optional conjunction: "Do you think that he knows what he wants?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Orwa View Post
    4- I thought parking was allowed here.
    I _____ that parking was allowed here. // under
    I “Was under impression” that parking was allowed here.
    Can't it be like above?, without "the"?
    Nope. The noun "impression" definitely requires an article, which in this case is "the".

    Quote Originally Posted by Orwa View Post
    8- I'm afraid that car is just too expensive.
    That car is _____. // means
    That car is “Over means
    I couldn't understand what was the meaning by "mean" here, i only know one meaning for the word, but here it has another meaning.
    http://dictionary.cambridge.org/defi...pic=accounting

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/means (scroll down to the noun form of "means")

    http://www.wordwebonline.com/en/MEANS

    Quote Originally Posted by Orwa View Post
    14- Luckily, Peter wasn't charged with an offense when the police caught him stealing the first time.
    Peter was very lucky because he _____ for his first crime. // off
    Peter was very lucky because he “Hasn’t been off” for his first crime
    Was it incorrect as above?
    Yes, that was incorrect. The expression "got off" is a very common way of saying that someone avoided being charged with a crime ... or he "got off easy" with a very minor charge or penalty.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orwa View Post
    15- Can I accompany you to the party?
    Do you _____ to the party? // mind
    Do you “Mind me coming” to the party?
    Was it incorret as above?
    It was not completely incorrect, but it's informal. The more formal (more correct) phrase is "do you mind if I come."

    Quote Originally Posted by Orwa View Post
    5- early, has, tomorrow, meeting, Mary, important, morning, an
    ( Tomorrow early morning Mary has an important meeting )
    The above way could be said, right?
    No. The most important part of the phrase is "tomorrow morning", and then "early" further describes "tomorrow morning". You definitely need to say "early" at the beginning of the phrase: early tomorrow morning.
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    Last Post: 04-20-2008, 02:08 PM

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