Σεβάχ ο θαλασσινός

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  1. feishtica said:

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    I'm speechless. Something like half of the words in these lyrics are unfindable in any dictionary. Like άψη and χάψη for example. Could you help please?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChFyfBMWppM

    Σεβάχ ο θαλασσινός


    Στίχοι: Λευτέρης Παπαδόπουλος
    Μουσική: Μάνος Λοΐζος
    Πρώτη εκτέλεση: Μάνος Λοΐζος
    Άλλες ερμηνείες: Αλκίνοος Ιωαννίδης

    Στο φιλντισένιο μου μαρκούτσι
    γαλέρες έρχονται και πάνε
    ρεσάλτα κάνουνε οι μούτσοι
    κι οι πειρατές μεθοκοπανε
    στο καπηλειό το λιμανίσιο

    Θάλασσα πικροθάλασσα
    γιατί να σ' αγαπήσω

    Σαρακηνοί και Βενετσάνοι
    πιάνουν και δένουν στο κατάρτι
    ελόγου μου τον καπετάν Γιάννη
    το παλικάρι τον αντάρτη
    τον άντρακλα τον πελαγίσιο

    Θάλασσα πικροθάλασσα
    γιατί να σ' αγαπήσω

    Κι εκεί στου μακελειού την άψη
    δαγκώνω τα σχοινιά τα λύνω
    και μα τον ʼγιο Κωνσταντίνο
    όλους τους ρίχνω μες στη χάψη
    δεμένους με τα χέρια πίσω

    Θάλασσα πικροθάλασσα
    πώς να μην σ' αγαπήσω;
     
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    Amethystos said:

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    When it comes to greek lyics, there are a few people that
    you can identify as distinguished.
    Most of them are known as poets, but they all really did wrote poetry.

    1.Seferis and Elitis

    2.Gatsos Nikos
    3.Ritsos Yiannis
    4.Christodoulou Dimitris
    5.Papadopoulos Lefteris
    6.Eleftheriou Manos
    7.Nikolakopoulou Lina

    But in our case Papadopoulos, is the MOST reader-friendly.
    There are no hidden ideas in his lyrics.

    So lets have a look in this one.
    Here, while he's enjoying his hookah smoking,
    he sees the engraved galleons over the pipe.
    This is the cause of this brilliant story....



    Title: Sindbad the sea man - Sevach o thalassinos
    Lyrics: Lefteri Papadopoulos
    Music: Mano Loizos
    Sung by Mano Loizos
    Lp: Thalassografies (Minos 1970)
    Track no: 09

    Link to original version -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZbjQaLh_AI

    Στο φιλντισένιο μου μαρκούτσι
    On my ivore made hookah hose
    γαλέρες έρχονται και πάνε
    the engraved galleons seem to come and go
    ρεσάλτα κάνουνε οι μούτσοι
    deckhands attempt raids to ships
    κι οι πειρατές μεθοκοπανε
    and pirates get drunk
    στο καπηλειό το λιμανίσιο
    in port's tavern

    Θάλασσα, πικροθάλασσα
    Sea, sea that you brink bitterness
    γιατί να σ' αγαπήσω
    why should I fell in love with you

    Σαρακηνοί και Βενετσάνοι
    Saracens and Venetians
    πιάνουν και δένουν στο κατάρτι
    arrest and tie on the mast
    ελόγου μου τον καπετάν Γιάννη
    me, the famous Captain John
    το παλικάρι, τον αντάρτη
    the brave man, the rebel
    τον άντρακλα τον πελαγίσιο
    the big sea dog

    Θάλασσα, πικροθάλασσα
    Sea, sea that you brink bitterness
    γιατί να σ' αγαπήσω
    why should I fell in love with you

    Κι εκεί στου μακελειού την άψη
    And right when fighting gets real hot
    δαγκώνω τα σχοινιά τα λύνω
    I bite the ropes and untie them
    και μα τον Άγιο Κωνσταντίνο
    and I swear to St Constanine that what I say is true
    όλους τους ρίχνω μες στη χάψη
    I put them all in a prison's cell
    δεμένους με τα χέρια πίσω
    tied with their hands in the back


    Θάλασσα πικροθάλασσα
    Sea, sea that you brink bitterness
    πώς να μην σ' αγαπήσω;
    How I could not love you?


    Last edited by Amethystos; 06-19-2010 at 07:12 PM.
    "Gilgamesh, where are you hurrying to?
    You will never find that life for which you are looking.
    When the gods created man they allotted to him death,
    but life they retained in their own keeping"
     
  3. feishtica said:

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    Thank you very much!!!!
    I'd never thought that Sevach is Sindbad! And in our times of high technologies it's just as simple as checking it in Google.
    Indeed I like very much the lyrics of Lefteris Papadopoulos. My favorite ones are probably "Οδός Αριστοτέλους" but I love as well "Όλες του κόσμου οι κυριακές", "Η νύχτα με τα αινίγματα", "Σ'αγαπώ σ 'αγαπώ" and others. Always so delicate and tender (well, apart from Sevah ), so personal and nostalgic... I really love them.
    I'm surprise you didn't include Manolis Rasoulis among the distinguished ones. At least I like his lyrics too, with all the subjectivity of my personal likes and dislikes.

    και μα τον Άγιο Κωνσταντίνο - besides άψη and χάψη this was the line that put me aback. I was wondering what the saint has to do with all that. Now I understand.
    Thank you very much! You are a great help in my attempts to learn Greek!!!


    Quote Originally Posted by Amethystos View Post
    When it comes to greek lyics, there are a few people that
    you can identify as distinguished.
    Most of them are known as poets, but they all really did wrote poetry.

    1.Seferis and Elitis

    2.Gatsos Nikos
    3.Ritsos Yiannis
    4.Christodoulou Dimitris
    5.Papadopoulos Lefteris
    6.Eleftheriou Manos
    7.Nikolakopoulou Lina

    But in our case Papadopoulos, is the MOST reader-friendly.
    There are no hidden ideas in his lyrics.

    So lets have a look in this one.
    Here, while he's enjoying his hookah smoking,
    he sees the engraved galleons over the pipe.
    This is the cause of this brilliant story....



    Title: Sindbad the sea man - Sevach o thalassinos
    Lyrics: Lefteri Papadopoulos
    Music: Mano Loizos
    Sung by Mano Loizos
    Lp: Thalassografies (Minos 1970)
    Track no: 09

    Link to original version -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZbjQaLh_AI

    Στο φιλντισένιο μου μαρκούτσι
    On my ivore made hookah hose
    γαλέρες έρχονται και πάνε
    the engraved galleons seem to come and go
    ρεσάλτα κάνουνε οι μούτσοι
    deckhands attempt raids to ships
    κι οι πειρατές μεθοκοπανε
    and pirates get drunk
    στο καπηλειό το λιμανίσιο
    in port's tavern

    Θάλασσα, πικροθάλασσα
    Sea, sea that you brink bitterness
    γιατί να σ' αγαπήσω
    why should I fell in love with you

    Σαρακηνοί και Βενετσάνοι
    Saracens and Venetians
    πιάνουν και δένουν στο κατάρτι
    arrest and tie on the mast
    ελόγου μου τον καπετάν Γιάννη
    me, the famous Captain John
    το παλικάρι, τον αντάρτη
    the brave man, the rebel
    τον άντρακλα τον πελαγίσιο
    the big sea dog

    Θάλασσα, πικροθάλασσα
    Sea, sea that you brink bitterness
    γιατί να σ' αγαπήσω
    why should I fell in love with you

    Κι εκεί στου μακελειού την άψη
    And right when fighting gets real hot
    δαγκώνω τα σχοινιά τα λύνω
    I bite the ropes and untie them
    και μα τον Άγιο Κωνσταντίνο
    and I swear to St Constanine that what I say is true
    όλους τους ρίχνω μες στη χάψη
    I put them all in a prison's cell
    δεμένους με τα χέρια πίσω
    tied with their hands in the back


    Θάλασσα πικροθάλασσα
    Sea, sea that you brink bitterness
    πώς να μην σ' αγαπήσω;
    How I could not love you?


     
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    Amethystos said:

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    Quote Originally Posted by feishtica View Post
    I'd never thought that Sevach is Sindbad! And in our times of high technologies it's just as simple as checking it in Google.
    Me neither!
    But a few years ago panselinos learnt me that.....
    Check the link -> http://www.allthelyrics.com/forum/gr...tml#post339414

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    Quote Originally Posted by feishtica View Post
    Indeed I like very much the lyrics of Lefteris Papadopoulos. My favorite ones are probably "Οδός Αριστοτέλους" but I love as well "Όλες του κόσμου οι κυριακές", "Η νύχτα με τα αινίγματα", "Σ'αγαπώ σ 'αγαπώ" and others. Always so delicate and tender (well, apart from Sevah ), so personal and nostalgic...
    Greek!!!
    I really like this one -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhxYkleSgYQ
    you may find its translation here -> http://www.allthelyrics.com/forum/gr...tml#post266560

    Especially the idea of:
    "And I will slice the moon
    to pin it on your hair"

    "think how beautiful you will look
    with the moon on your hair"

    Yeap this was a great time of Papadopoulos!

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    Quote Originally Posted by feishtica View Post
    I'm surprise you didn't include Manolis Rasoulis among the distinguished ones. At least I like his lyrics too, with all the subjectivity of my personal likes and dislikes.
    Inspired and simple lyrics by Rassoulis.
    But he didn't involved in as many works as he should in a way to be distinguished......

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    Quote Originally Posted by feishtica View Post
    και μα τον Άγιο Κωνσταντίνο - besides άψη and χάψη this was the line that put me aback
    άψη is an easy word even though it's not used frequently
    χάψη on the other hand isn't recorded even in my dictionary.
    so I used the net to find the solution......

    Pleased to be helpfull
    Last edited by Amethystos; 06-21-2010 at 08:08 AM.
    "Gilgamesh, where are you hurrying to?
    You will never find that life for which you are looking.
    When the gods created man they allotted to him death,
    but life they retained in their own keeping"
     
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    geomac said:

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    Άψη

    Though it is a easy word (), I searched a definition on the net because I did't find it in any dictionary.

    I found this:

    "Άψη= "knowing, crafty."

    Is it true?
     
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    Amethystos said:

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    Nope....

    Άψη = Κάψα = Fervor concluding BOTH definitions of the following link -> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fervor
    "Gilgamesh, where are you hurrying to?
    You will never find that life for which you are looking.
    When the gods created man they allotted to him death,
    but life they retained in their own keeping"
     
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    geomac said:

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    ok, but are the meanings of Άψη and Κάψα identical ?

    and why didn't I find the word Άψη in any dictionary? Is it a localism ?
     
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    Amethystos said:

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    Well the etymology isn't the same but in most cases we use it the same way...

    When it comes to Greek dictionaries there aren't many solutions....
    I've got this one -> http://www.lexicon.gr/lexica/lex_NEG.htm
    with its 2032 pages full of etymology, examples and thesaurus I think it's pretty close to what I need.
    It's also good enough to feel AMAZED facing the knowledge of the author.
    He is a prof of linguistics in Athen's University and Chairman of the Greek Foundation of Culture.

    And you may check out my dictionary's author in the following vid -> http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=p1WEtIsKvW0

    It's the first of a whole 22 videos (in youtube there's that 10 minutes limit ...)
    made of Greek National TV that convinced me that I know only a 30-40 %
    of my mother language......
    "Gilgamesh, where are you hurrying to?
    You will never find that life for which you are looking.
    When the gods created man they allotted to him death,
    but life they retained in their own keeping"
     
  9. feishtica said:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amethystos View Post
    Me neither!
    But a few years ago panselinos learnt me that.....
    Eeeehhh... Panselinos... What would be the world without us Bulgarians? Less Sindbads and fairy-tales.
    Quote Originally Posted by Amethystos View Post
    A very beautiful song and lyrics indeed. You'd be surprised, but my favorite interpretation of this song is this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6gvwgfSedo

    Quote Originally Posted by Amethystos View Post
    Yeap this was a great time of Papadopoulos!
    My song of the day was "O arxhgos" and I just loved the lyrics. Especially the last line is really... striking.
     
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    geomac said:

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    thank you,Amethystos
     
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    Amethystos said:

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    @feishtica
    Quote Originally Posted by feishtica View Post
    Eeeehhh... Panselinos... What would be the world without us Bulgarians? Less Sindbads and fairy-tales.
    Yeap you're right!

    Quote Originally Posted by feishtica View Post
    A very beautiful song and lyrics indeed. You'd be surprised, but my favorite interpretation of this song is this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6gvwgfSedo
    It wasn't such a big surprise btw


    Quote Originally Posted by feishtica View Post
    My song of the day was "O arxhgos" and I just loved the lyrics. Especially the last line is really... striking.
    Good choice!
    I also like the dramatic finish of this one -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsz1PGddUNY
    Link to translation ->http://www.stixoi.info/stixoi.php?in...ails&t_id=7852

    @ geomac It's always my pleasure!
    "Gilgamesh, where are you hurrying to?
    You will never find that life for which you are looking.
    When the gods created man they allotted to him death,
    but life they retained in their own keeping"
     
  12. feishtica said:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amethystos View Post
    @feishtica

    Yeap you're right!


    It wasn't such a big surprise btw



    Good choice!
    I also like the dramatic finish of this one -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsz1PGddUNY
    Link to translation ->http://www.stixoi.info/stixoi.php?in...ails&t_id=7852

    @ geomac It's always my pleasure!
    Ooooh, indeed very strong and beautiful lyrics. The images are so lively... he's painting with words.