Of course ya a7la Oriee salem idayki!!!
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raf ilhamam = the flutter of pigeons
Originally Posted by VivaPalestina
Thanx Viva for clarification , this was my option also ,the guys said sth else
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Oriee? Well to be honest she's the expert in classical (fus7a) arabic Czarek, but I understood it as flutter
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Right i understand that and I know that Oriee is perfrect in Fos7a,but Originally Posted by VivaPalestina
Oriee? Well to be honest she's the expert in classical (fus7a) arabic Czarek, but I understood it as flutter
I understand this "expression" the same way like you.
I will ask my other friends what they will say
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Much Ado About Nothing - a very good comedy by William Shakespeare. lol Originally Posted by CZAREK2581
Orie you ommit word رف",but it is not so important........
Right i understand that and I know that Oriee is perfrect in Fos7a,but
I understand this "expression" the same way like you.
I will ask my other friends what they will sayLast edited by gbasfora; 07-23-2010 at 06:00 AM.
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Ooh its my favourite play George
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I think that the most important is that you got the idea or the meaning of th phrase... shout or call.. Originally Posted by gbasfora
ونادي كانت حول بيوتون حلوي أشجار الرمان
This sentence originally should be.
ونادي كانت حول بيوتون اشجار الرمان، حلوي اشجار الرمان
but so as not to repeat the phrase and be boring, the first اشجار الرمان was dropped.
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I looked in my dic. and found that نادي has a meaning of ظهر. The dic. says نادي الطريق له: أي ظهر I think this can give us an option of translating the the sentence into show up. I know you might say that this is too much Fus7a, but people uses different words for me it's Fus7a while for others they use it as dialect, for example Syrians & Libanese use word يعيط and they mean to call or to shout, while Palis & Jords use it as to cry.Last edited by Oriee; 07-24-2010 at 03:53 AM.
لا يَشْكُرُ الله مَنْ لا يَشْكُرُ النَّاس
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Now we have nearly all the meanings of the word رف, eventhough there's 3-4 more left. Originally Posted by CZAREK2581
One can choose the meaning he find more suitable.. So according to your choice, it'll be
Pigeons' fluttering miss themلا يَشْكُرُ الله مَنْ لا يَشْكُرُ النَّاس
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@ Vivo: teslami 7beeby, kollek zou2
Allah ysallmek w ysallem edeikiلا يَشْكُرُ الله مَنْ لا يَشْكُرُ النَّاس
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Originally Posted by Oriee
I didnt want to say Orie that I am sure of what I wrote
Buts as you know I am still a beginner and sometimes arabic confuses me a lot
with numerous meaning of one word
Thanx for your help
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Oh can I suggest an alternative translation hayati?
And the flutter of the pigeon misses you -
I would like to say the last thing regarding رف issue.
In my opinon you can see birds fluttering everywhere, where ever you are,
but you'll miss the groups/ flocks of birds you used to see in your home land, these have a special place in one's memory, alsoo flowers, roses, smells, everything differs, that's why translating رف into flocks will be more reasonable... According to me at least.لا يَشْكُرُ الله مَنْ لا يَشْكُرُ النَّاس
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Khalas then we'll let you have the last say
Walaw kam Oriee 3indna?
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Teslami 7bibty.. But I meant for me, yani I won't say anything again for this issue.
B3den mosh heik, every one has his own last word to say... Sa7?لا يَشْكُرُ الله مَنْ لا يَشْكُرُ النَّاس
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In english maybe, bas iza 3am ni7ki 3an lo3'a Im not a native fiha then akeed la2, your point makes perfect sense, I only wrote what first came into mind
Bas I suppose in general, shi3r is understood differently to different people anyway
