Nancy Ajram - Sheel ouyoonak anni

Hi Larosa! Nice to have you around here!

I think you're right, once you get used to a language you don't find it so difficult anymore... but until you get used to it, it can be a real nightmare!

Originally Posted by larosa

i'm here guys,i miss you too
arabic music can be very fascinating and amaizing but also it can be very nasty and meanless
as for me i think that arabic music was better in the past but not now may be a few names are very good now only few the rest is rubbish

Could you recommend us some really good Arabic artists? (I mean what Arab people consider good quality and not only pre-fabricated or commercialized sort of music)

Originally Posted by larosa

belly dance is a very funny kind of dancing we don't need lessons our parents and older relatives teach us how to dance since we're kids it's in our DNA he he

That's making me feel a bit jealous!
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What do you reckon I should learn? MSA? Egyptian accent? Lebanese accent? Ohhh... just thinking about it is driving me nuts!

Sorry about the posts in German. It was me who started all the mess...

Hi Larosa

I agree with Citlalli: Could you recommend us some really good Arabic artists? (I mean what Arab people consider good quality and not only pre-fabricated or commercialized sort of music).

I found out (for myselves) that I like many songs of Ehab Tawfiq, and I really love Ya Ghayeb from Fadel Shaker. And I also like to listen to Fairouz (and Rahbani Brothers).

We learn belly dance on a very high level; my teacher itself is highly recommended and has a good reputation all over Europe and also in egypt. I also had lessons with egypt and american dancers who have performed in 5* Hotels ins Cairo. So you see, we respect arabian culture and consider it seriously.

Have a nice day, Tahira

Originally Posted by citlalli

Hi Larosa! Nice to have you around here!

I think you're right, once you get used to a language you don't find it so difficult anymore... but until you get used to it, it can be a real nightmare!



Could you recommend us some really good Arabic artists? (I mean what Arab people consider good quality and not only pre-fabricated or commercialized sort of music)



That's making me feel a bit jealous!
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What do you reckon I should learn? MSA? Egyptian accent? Lebanese accent? Ohhh... just thinking about it is driving me nuts!

Sorry about the posts in German. It was me who started all the mess...

there is no need to apologize it's ok really,i didn't think about it that way
well if you learn the egyptian accent then you'll have no problem,see egyptian is very popular in arabic countries because of the egyptian series and movies,we like this accent it's very funny
but if you learn standard arabic you will still have no problem either ,cause it is the accent that we should all speack ,but because of historical factors every country gained her own accent
but though arabic language means a whole new alphabet and pronounciation,plus the grammar rules are very rich and complicated,but i heard that many people managed to speak arabic so i really encourage you to do so
there are many arabic singers that may entertain you and they have a beautiful voice and songs at the same time
there is "najwa karam" she's called here the" sun of the song",there is "marwan khoory" this guy is a genius,there is "assi el hellani","asala nasri","carol smaha"(she has a strong voice) and "amr diab" also he's romantic
"nawal zoghby".ragheb alem(although i don't like his last songs)

almost the rest relies only on there imagine and physical appearnce

if you want to listen to song that leaves a good impression i'm readdy to give you some

citlalli, i recommend that you learn "classic" or standard Arabic better than learning the accents

Originally Posted by Tahira

Hi Larosa

I agree with Citlalli: Could you recommend us some really good Arabic artists? (I mean what Arab people consider good quality and not only pre-fabricated or commercialized sort of music).

I found out (for myselves) that I like many songs of Ehab Tawfiq, and I really love Ya Ghayeb from Fadel Shaker. And I also like to listen to Fairouz (and Rahbani Brothers).

We learn belly dance on a very high level; my teacher itself is highly recommended and has a good reputation all over Europe and also in egypt. I also had lessons with egypt and american dancers who have performed in 5* Hotels ins Cairo. So you see, we respect arabian culture and consider it seriously.

Have a nice day, Tahira

i already recommend ,look in my previous reply,
well Ihab tawfiq has good songs but the quality of his voice is not good
fadel shaker is the king of emotions here but he stole many turkish songs that made me disrespect his ,actually ya ghayeb , originaly doesn't belong to him
he stole the compsition from serdar ortaç and changed the words from turkish to arabic so the song was "beni unut " and became"ya ghayeb"he also did the same thing with mustafa sandal's song"aska yurek gurek"
i think with that behaviour he is betraying his audience,cause arabic people doesn't listen to turkish music(only few)
i'm glad to hear that arabic culture is respected and taken in consideration,you actually changed my opinion,
belly dance is easy and funny,but here men don't do the belly dance it is for women and men have their own moves
i know that many people choosed belly dance as proffession it is a good thing indeed
every body loves fairouz she's beyond the imagination with her tender sweet voice and beautiful songs that you can never get enough of them
i heard that many people use fairouz's song to heal people that have psychological problem

it's been nice talking to you guys
bye for now

Oh, interesting, I did´n´t know that Ya ghayeb is original turkish. But I knew that "...dunja..." from F. Shaker is in original from Mustafa Sandal.
I once have heard, as there is no copyright on many eastern european songs, the artists copy from each other as many as possible. But I have to admit, that sometimes I like also the copies that I have heard.

In Germany there exists a kind of copyright, and so songs can not be copied as long as the original artist does not allow this. I guess the "new" performer has to pay a certain kind of sum for having the right to copy a song. If he does it without such a allowance he can be punished.

Have a nice day - and thank you for your help concerning arab music. SHUKRAN
Tahira

Originally Posted by Tahira

Oh, interesting, I did´n´t know that Ya ghayeb is original turkish. But I knew that "...dunja..." from F. Shaker is in original from Mustafa Sandal.
I once have heard, as there is no copyright on many eastern european songs, the artists copy from each other as many as possible. But I have to admit, that sometimes I like also the copies that I have heard.

In Germany there exists a kind of copyright, and so songs can not be copied as long as the original artist does not allow this. I guess the "new" performer has to pay a certain kind of sum for having the right to copy a song. If he does it without such a allowance he can be punished.

Have a nice day - and thank you for your help concerning arab music. SHUKRAN
Tahira

there is no need to thank me

the right name "dhehket eddonya"
unfortunatly there are no copy rights,they steal the song and they change the name of the compser that's it
both of the copies are being good ,we can't tell the difference

Ahlan ya Nawali, ya Larosa!

Thanks a lot for your advice on me trying to learn Arabic. It really helps a lot more to hear the opinion of native speakers than that of people around here, as most think I'm just sort of crazy and don't take it seriously.

As for the recommended artists up to now I only know Ragheb Alama, Assi El Hellani and Amr Diab (I reckon that most westerners who are into belly dance know and adore this man's music!). I don't know the rest yet... so I have a lot to discover in the next couple of weeks! Thanks a lot!

مع السالامة

Originally Posted by citlalli

Ahlan ya Nawali, ya Larosa!

Thanks a lot for your advice on me trying to learn Arabic. It really helps a lot more to hear the opinion of native speakers than that of people around here, as most think I'm just sort of crazy and don't take it seriously.

As for the recommended artists up to now I only know Ragheb Alama, Assi El Hellani and Amr Diab (I reckon that most westerners who are into belly dance know and adore this man's music!). I don't know the rest yet... so I have a lot to discover in the next couple of weeks! Thanks a lot!

مع السالامة

not at all ,i'm being crazy too in learning turkish ,although i love turkish but i'm being lazy about it. i only know few words and short sentences
take it easy ,don't rush yourself ,whenevr you feel like it, learn some things
the rest has really good songs listen to them ,and if you need help,just tell me ok?

Why is it that I do not hear the 'Q' in the word Qlby (latin -> Qelbee), when she sings it, yet it is there in the lyrics...and why is it that I hear a "jeem", "G" instead of a "ta", "T" in the word in Trkny (latin -> trickney) when she sings it, and yet again, it is in the lyrics...I have listened closely a million times...this is very confusing for someone who is learning Arabic...is there a different dialect for these words? I am in no way trying to start a debate because I don't have a firm grip on the language, but am I the only one who is hearing this?

Originally Posted by billmcintee

Why is it that I do not hear the 'Q' in the word Qlby (latin -> Qelbee), when she sings it, yet it is there in the lyrics...and why is it that I hear a "jeem", "G" instead of a "ta", "T" in the word in Trkny (latin -> trickney) when she sings it, and yet again, it is in the lyrics...I have listened closely a million times...this is very confusing for someone who is learning Arabic...is there a different dialect for these words? I am in no way trying to start a debate because I don't have a firm grip on the language, but am I the only one who is hearing this?

In the dialect Nancy Ajram is singing in, the Q becomes an "A" (this is common practice in the Levantine Dialects). I am myself from Iraq, so when we say QALB we transform the Q to a G to make GALB. However, there is only one correct way to spell it when the transformations take this pattern (Q --> A in Lebanese, Q --> G in Iraqi and Khaleeji), and that is with the formal Arabic letter Qaf.

In Egypt, the letter J ALWAYS becomes a G. So for instance, new in formal Arabic is JADEED however in Egyptian, it becomes GADEED.

Common Dialect Features Stemming From Formal Arabic:

Iraq: ض is usually pronounced as a DEEP D (there is linguistic terminology, but I do not want it to get complicated) in formal Arabic, but in Iraq, the letter is always pronounced as a DH. This changes abyaD (white) to abyaDH. Iraqis actually only pronounce this letter this way. Also, Iraqis tend to change the ق (Q) to a G, but this is not such a sound rule since most words that change can still be pronounced with the ق and still be considering authentic Iraqi Arabic. Take for instance the Iraqi "gahwa" which means coffee, yet another way to say it in Iraq (which is also the formal way of saying it) is "qahwa" with the letter ق. Galb (heart) vs. Qalb illustrates this example.

Lebanon: Almost always, the ق almost always becomes a hamza, or as it is said linguistically, a glottal stop. So the word haqeqa becomes ha'ee'a which means "truth" or "fact." The letter j (ج) becomes almost a zh, but this is not very noticeable. It only adds a "buzz" to the letter j. jadeed (new) becomes zhdeed.

Egypt: The most well known example is the transformation of the j (ج) to the letter "g." haja (item) becomes haga in Egypt, ALWAYS! The qaf becoming a glottal stop (hamza) also transforms similarly in Egypt as it does in Lebanon.

The Gulf: The Gulf usually shares the same features as Iraq, but in Saudi Arabia and the Emirates, the QAF becomes a G. For instance, haqeeqa (formal Arabic) becomes hageega.


The dialects might trip you up, but you must learn the differences, and you will then be one step closer in understanding every speaker of the Middle East.

Ok...after hearing it again, I do hear the 'ta' in trkny instead of the 'geem'...I stand corrected...thank you, hadeer for clearing that up for me...it was great for my understanding...

FOR ENGLISH SPEAKERS...PRONOUNCE/SING WHAT YOU SEE

Please note that this is NOT a direct reflection of the correct phonic wording of the song...this is ONLY to help those who speak and read English to pronounce the words that she sings, there may be mistakes (see below) here and there but it is very close...
I noticed that she is pronouncing the phrase "bedi (gh)ani" towards the end of the song like it is "bedi (kh)ani"..."bedi (gh)ani" in Arabic means "I want to sing", but it sounds to me like she is pronouncing it with a (kh) instead of a (gh)...just an observation...

() denotes specially pronounced sound that has no English equivalent...you will need to listen to the song to hear and learn the sound - if anything else, ask a person who speaks Arabic to help you!

SHEEL AYOUNEK ANI - NANCY AJRAM

sheel eye-oonek-ani
trikney aref (gh)ani
sheel eye-oonek ani
trikney aref (gh)ani
b(au)du elbi sa(gh)-ryar
ma-(h)iarani woo- ma-(h)iyar
b(au)du elbi sa(gh)-ryar
ma-(h)iarani woo ma-(h)iyar
nos-rahmenek-bija-neni
nos-rahmenek-bija-neneu
ah...bija-neni

sheel eye-oonek-ani
trikney aref (gh)ani
sheel eye-oonek ani
trikney aref (gh)ani
b(au)du elbi sa(gh)-ryar
ma-(h)iarani woo- ma-(h)iyar
b(au)du elbi sa(gh)-ryar
ma-(h)iarani woo ma-(h)iyar
nos-rahmenek-bija-neni
nos-rahmenek-bija-neneu
ah...bija-neni

nos-ratek mishom tit-hada
bada wob-taref shoo badak
nos-ratek mishom tit-hada
bada wob-taref shoo badak
illa lazim tilzem hada
illa lazim tilzem had-oh
dib(au)d ani bedi (kh)ani
dib(au)d ani bedi (kh)aneu
ah...bedi (kh)ani

sheel eye-oonek-ani
trikney aref (gh)ani
sheel eye-oonek ani
trikney aref (gh)ani
b(au)du elbi sa(gh)-ryar
ma-(h)iarani woo- ma-(h)iyar
b(au)du elbi sa(gh)-ryar
ma-(h)iarani woo ma-(h)iyar
nos-rahmenek-bija-neni
nos-rahmenek-bija-neneu
ah...bija-neni

nos-rat eye-oonek (kh)ootreen
wa(kh)tar mafee hoon heloween
nos-rat eye-oonek (kh)ootreen
wa(kh)tar mafee hoon heloween
se(h)ran sa-(h)aranin-mis-neen
se(h)ran sa-(h)aranin-mis-neen
ptella feek bedi-(kh)ani
ptella feek bedi-(kh)aneu
ah...bedi-(kh)ani

sheel eye-oonek-ani
trikney aref (gh)ani
sheel eye-oonek ani
trikney aref (gh)ani
b(au)du elbi sa(gh)-ryar
ma-(h)iarani woo- ma-(h)iyar
b(au)du elbi sa(gh)-ryar
ma-(h)iarani woo ma-(h)iyar
nos-rahmenek-bija-neni
nos-rahmenek-bija-neneu
ah...bija-neni