Originally Posted by maria_gr

@pitbull_toma: I moved your post here cause "learning bulgarian" thread wasn't appropriate for your request. I'm not spanish but i know quite well and I can help you a little bit with simple things like the pronunciation, conjugation of the verbs etc.

i can help you with some greetings

Que onda-Mexico/chicano
Que transa-Mexico(i think)/Chicano
Que la que hay-Puerto Rico
Que lo que (my favorite)-Dominican Republic*
Que bola-pretty sure this one is Cuban
Que pasa isn't used normally, but is still ok to say
Que pasó means what happened. That was is important to know


*note: que lo que is abbreviated as k lo k, or more commonly just klk.

I totally forgot that there was a similar thread about spanish grammar. So this thread might be useful to you as well.

and xiurell teach us some catalan. Ok you know that I can understand, but i want to speak (vull parlar català )

Gràcies

Originally Posted by maria_gr

I totally forgot that there was a similar thread about spanish grammar. So this thread might be useful to you as well.

and xiurell teach us some catalan. Ok you know that I can understand, but i want to speak (vull parlar català )

Gràcies

Γεια σου Μαρία

Segur que si t´ho proposes ho acabaràs xerrant
Bon cap de setmana, amiga meva

let's star with the verb SER TO BE

Although it is an extremely common verb, ser can be confusing for many Spanish students because it is usually translated as "to be," same as the verb estar. Although they can often be translated the same way, ser and estar are distinct verbs with distinct meanings and are seldom synonymous.

It is probably most helpful to learn the two verbs separately

Here are the main uses of ser:

- To indicate existence: Ser o no ser (to be or not to be)
- With adjectives to indicate inherent, innate or essential characteristics
La casa es grande. (The house is big.)
Soy feliz. (I am happy)
- To indicate origin, nature or identity: Soy de Argentina. (I am from Argentina.)
- To indicate possession or ownership : El coche es mío ((The car is mine.)
- To tell the time: Es la una. (It is 1:00.) Son las dos. (It is 2:00.)
- To indicate where an event takes place: El concierto es en la playa. (The concert is on the beach.) La fiesta será en mi casa. (The party will be at my house.)

- In impersonal statements: Es importante. (It is important.) Fue difícil. (It was difficult.)

Present
yo soy ...................................(I am)
tú eres ..................................(you are)
él, ella, usted es.................... (he is, she is, you are
nosotros, nosotras somos.... (we are)
vosotros, vosotras sois......... (you are)
ellos, ellas, ustedes son........ (they are, you are) were)

As you see is an irregular verb

Notice how in Spanish the verb ending identifies the subject, except when using a third person, in which case we have several possibilities. In those cases you will find that either the subject is identified through the use of the personal pronoun or name, or it has been identified in a previous sentence

To make the negative form of the verb you must add no before the verb

Yo no soy (I am not)
tú no eres (you are not)
etc.

María, you can apply the same rules por the Catalan

The verb SER or ÉSSER

PRESENT

Jo sóc (here on the islands we say som
tu ets
Ell/ella/vostè és
Nosaltres som (we say noltros(masculine)/noltres(femenine)
Vosaltres sou (we say voltros/voltres)
Ell/elles/vostès són

And the negative form you must and no before the verb

Jo no sóc
tu no ets
etc

When addressing a friend, child or relative in Catalan the second person singular and plural forms are used. When addressing someone who does not fall into these categories a polite form is used: vostè and the plural vostès. These take the third person singular and plural forms of a verb.

It will be a bilingual lesson as I am

Originally Posted by xiurell

Γεια σου Μαρία

Segur que si t´ho proposes ho acabaràs xerrant
Bon cap de setmana, amiga meva

Jaja no sé, potser, però vull parlar molt ben aviat!

Que tinguis tu també un bon cap de setmana amigo.

Edit: Gràcies per la lliçó!

Originally Posted by maria_gr

Jaja no sé, potser, però vull parlar molt ben aviat!

Que tinguis tu també un bon cap de setmana amigo.

Edit: Gràcies per la lliçó!

what language is that? Portuguese?

Originally Posted by dmoney101

what language is that? Portuguese?

It's Catalan!

can anyone translate this ? "Ya es tarde pero palante uno sufre un dia pero el otro yora pero mientras pasan los dias uno se resigna poko a poko"

i know it syas sumthing aobout its almost afternooon, but it goes on or sumthing then lttle of little or sumthing?
lol im just learning spanish so itdll b a big help thnx =)

"Ya es tarde pero para adelante, uno sufre un día pero el otro llora pero mientras pasan los días, uno se resigna poco a poco"

Now is late but go on, one day you can suffer and on the other day, cry but as the days go by, you rising yourself little by little (gradually)

la tarde = the afternoon
tarde (adv.)= late

Originally Posted by maria_gr

It's Catalan!

oh, it looks like portuguese. i guess it's because this character - ç. What sound does that make?

Originally Posted by dmoney101

oh, it looks like portuguese. i guess it's because this character - ç. What sound does that make?

Catalan pronunciation

· A - When stressed always has an open sound between the sound of the a in bat or father. Examples: pa (bread), mà (hand), pare (father).Unstressed sounds like the a in sugar or the e in butter. Examples: porta (door), roba (clothes), dona (woman).
· B - sounds like the b in bar. Bonic (pretty), també (also, too), balcó (balcony)
· C - Before e or i sounds like the c in acid. Examples: cel (sky), cita (appointment).In almost all other cases sounds like the c in cat. Examples: poc (little, not much), casa (house).
· Ç – Like s Examples: cançó (song), començar (to start)
· D - like the d in door. Examples: divendres (Friday), demà (tomorrow).
· E - Open e is like the e in set. Examples: cel (sky), nen (child), cafè (coffee). Closed e is like the e in they without the final gliding sound. Examples: llengua (language), llet (milk), carrer (street). Unstressed e is like the e in butter and sounds just like unstressed a. Examples: mare (mother), jove (young). Unstressed e before a sounds like a closed e. Examples: teatre (theater), real (real).
· F - like the f in far. Examples: família (family), estufa (heater).
· G - With an a, o, u, r, or l at the beginning of a word or after n, sounds like g in get. Examples: gos (dog), gana (hunger).
· H - Always silent
· I - like the i in marine
· J -like the s in measure or vision. Examples: jove (young), netejar (to clean).
· K - Only appears in assimilated foreign words. Always sounds like the k in kitten
· L - like the l in love
· L.L - as two ls. Examples: mal·leable (malleable), idíl·lic (idyllic).
· LL - like the lli in the word million
· M - like the m in mother
· N – like n in noun
· NY – like the spanish ñ Example: Espanya (Spain)
· O - Open is like the o in coffee. Examples: bo (good), allò (that). Closed is like the o in note without the final glide. Examples: cançó (song), boca (mouth).Unstressed is between the oo in boot and foot. Examples: potser (maybe), comprar (to buy).
· P- like p in pain
· Q- like k
· R – as in Spanish has two sounds, one strong Rosa (Rose) and the other weak Però (but)
· S – like s in sound. Dissabte (Saturday). Like z in zoo. Rosa (rose)
· T – like t in time
· U – like the u in rude
· W - Only appears in assimilated foreign words
· X – like ch in champagne
· Y - Only appears in assimilated foreign words. (For ny see n.)
· Z - Pronounced like the z in zebra. Examples: zèfir (zephyr), zel (zeal), zona (zone).

Originally Posted by xiurell

Catalan pronunciation

· A - When stressed always has an open sound between the sound of the a in bat or father. Examples: pa (bread), mà (hand), pare (father).Unstressed sounds like the a in sugar or the e in butter. Examples: porta (door), roba (clothes), dona (woman).
· B - sounds like the b in bar. Bonic (pretty), també (also, too), balcó (balcony)
· C - Before e or i sounds like the c in acid. Examples: cel (sky), cita (appointment).In almost all other cases sounds like the c in cat. Examples: poc (little, not much), casa (house).
· Ç – Like s Examples: cançó (song), començar (to start)
· D - like the d in door. Examples: divendres (Friday), demà (tomorrow).
· E - Open e is like the e in set. Examples: cel (sky), nen (child), cafè (coffee). Closed e is like the e in they without the final gliding sound. Examples: llengua (language), llet (milk), carrer (street). Unstressed e is like the e in butter and sounds just like unstressed a. Examples: mare (mother), jove (young). Unstressed e before a sounds like a closed e. Examples: teatre (theater), real (real).
· F - like the f in far. Examples: família (family), estufa (heater).
· G - With an a, o, u, r, or l at the beginning of a word or after n, sounds like g in get. Examples: gos (dog), gana (hunger).
· H - Always silent
· I - like the i in marine
· J -like the s in measure or vision. Examples: jove (young), netejar (to clean).
· K - Only appears in assimilated foreign words. Always sounds like the k in kitten
· L - like the l in love
· L.L - as two ls. Examples: mal·leable (malleable), idíl·lic (idyllic).
· LL - like the lli in the word million
· M - like the m in mother
· N – like n in noun
· NY – like the spanish ñ Example: Espanya (Spain)
· O - Open is like the o in coffee. Examples: bo (good), allò (that). Closed is like the o in note without the final glide. Examples: cançó (song), boca (mouth).Unstressed is between the oo in boot and foot. Examples: potser (maybe), comprar (to buy).
· P- like p in pain
· Q- like k
· R – as in Spanish has two sounds, one strong Rosa (Rose) and the other weak Però (but)
· S – like s in sound. Dissabte (Saturday). Like z in zoo. Rosa (rose)
· T – like t in time
· U – like the u in rude
· W - Only appears in assimilated foreign words
· X – like ch in champagne
· Y - Only appears in assimilated foreign words. (For ny see n.)
· Z - Pronounced like the z in zebra. Examples: zèfir (zephyr), zel (zeal), zona (zone).

so it's really close to spanish, with a little bit of english (i.e. the z)

THE VERB 'ESTAR'

PRESENT

Yo estoy
Tú estás
Él/Ella está
NOS. estamos
VOS. estáís
Ellos/as están

Here are the main uses of estar:

-To indicate a state or condition, often one resulting from a change:
estoy enfermo (I'm sick)
-To indicate location
Estamos en casa (we are at home)
-With a present participle to form a progressive tense
Están comiendo (They are eating)

SER VS. ESTAR

As in English both verbs mean "to be" (as in greek too)
I try esplain the difference of use with some exemples
Ser tells you what something is, the nature of its being, while estar refers more to what something does.

I'm sick
(correct)- estoy enfermo
(incorrect) - soy enfermo (That would refer to who I am, to the nature of my being. We might translate that as "I am a sick person" or "I am sickly."

-Está cansada, She is tired. Es una cansada, she is a tired person
-Estoy feliz, I'm happy now. Soy feliz, I am happy by nature

One way of thinking about it is to think of ser as being roughly equivalent to "equals." Another way of thinking about it is that estar often refers to a temporary condition, while ser frequently refers to a permanent condition.

But there are some exceptions and also a few idiomatic expressions that simply need to be learned.

Originally Posted by xiurell

THE VERB 'ESTAR'

PRESENT

Yo estoy
Tú estás
Él/Ella está
NOS. estamos
VOS. estáís
Ellos/as están

Here are the main uses of estar:

-To indicate a state or condition, often one resulting from a change:
estoy enfermo (I'm sick)
-To indicate location
Estamos en casa (we are at home)
-With a present participle to form a progressive tense
Están comiendo (They are eating)

SER VS. ESTAR

As in English both verbs mean "to be" (as in greek too)
I try esplain the difference of use with some exemples
Ser tells you what something is, the nature of its being, while estar refers more to what something does.

I'm sick
(correct)- estoy enfermo
(incorrect) - soy enfermo (That would refer to who I am, to the nature of my being. We might translate that as "I am a sick person" or "I am sickly."

-Está cansada, She is tired. Es una cansada, she is a tired person
-Estoy feliz, I'm happy now. Soy feliz, I am happy by nature

One way of thinking about it is to think of ser as being roughly equivalent to "equals." Another way of thinking about it is that estar often refers to a temporary condition, while ser frequently refers to a permanent condition.

But there are some exceptions and also a few idiomatic expressions that simply need to be learned.

one of the things we learned in spanish class for estar is P.L.A.C.E. Basically, if it's place, location, action, condition, or emotion, you would use estar, anything else is ser. i didn't really need that, since i just figure, if it's permanent, use ser, if it's temporary use estar and the only exception is death.

Originally Posted by dmoney101

one of the things we learned in spanish class for estar is P.L.A.C.E. Basically, if it's place, location, action, condition, or emotion, you would use estar, anything else is ser. i didn't really need that, since i just figure, if it's permanent, use ser, if it's temporary use estar and the only exception is death.

Very useful the P.L.A.C.E. trick, but doesn't always work, look at this sentences:

El espejo está roto (permanent)
Soy soltero (temporary)
Este olivo está recto (permanent)
El océano Ártico está siempre frío (permanent)

It's better to think
SER represent qualites
ESTAR represents conditions

And both qualities and conditions can be permanent or temporary.

Saludos

Originally Posted by xiurell

Very useful the P.L.A.C.E. trick, but doesn't always work, look at this sentences:

El espejo está roto (permanent)
Soy soltero (temporary)
Este olivo está recto (permanent)
El océano Ártico está siempre frío (permanent)

It's better to think
SER represent qualites
ESTAR represents conditions

And both qualities and conditions can be permanent or temporary.

Saludos

well i don't know what roto, soltero, or recto means lol. at least i'm white, so i can get away with messing up estar/ser and por/para jaja

sorry I forgot the translation

El espejo está roto (permanent) 'the is broken'
Soy soltero (temporary) 'I'm single'
Este olivo está recto (permanent) 'the olive tree is upright
El océano Ártico está siempre frío (permanent) 'the Arctic Ocean is always cold'

Greetings

Originally Posted by xiurell

sorry I forgot the translation

El espejo está roto (permanent) 'the is broken'
Soy soltero (temporary) 'I'm single'
Este olivo está recto (permanent) 'the olive tree is upright
El océano Ártico está siempre frío (permanent) 'the Arctic Ocean is always cold'

Greetings

i knew the first one because it's a condition, the second one i would think 'toy, the third (i thought recto meant erect, i was right ) i would think es, the fourth, idk, it makes sense but idk what i would've said

hola a todos:

si desean ayuda de una mexicana con el español?...bueno aqui estoy........