Овде можамо да учиме македонскиот јазик.
Here we can learn Macedonian, and practice writing in Macedonian and people can correct our mistakes and teach us about grammar and words and stuff.
Јас не можам да учим никој затоа што уште не зборувам македонски.
I can't teach anyone Macedonian because I don't speak it yet.
И овде ги пишам линките за учење које собиравмe:
I'll write the links we've collected so far for learning here:
http://www.utoronto.ca/slavic/macedonian/index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonian_language
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonian_grammar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonian_pronouns
http://mk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%...B7%D0%B8%D0%BA
http://www.idividi.com.mk/recnik/
http://books.google.com/books?id=Rxa...ddJtqQ#PPP1,M1
alphabet:
а б в г д ѓ е ж з ѕ и ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т ќ у ф х ц ч џ ш
а - a like father
б - b like book
в - v like very
г - g like girl (never like gem)
д - d like dog
ѓ - gj like "g" in argue?
е - e like wet
ж - zh like s in pleasure
з - z like zoo
ѕ - dz - like hea_ds_
и - i - like we
ј - j like yellow
к - k like king
л - l like like
љ - lj lik million
м - m like mom
н - n like now
њ - nj like kenya
о - o like coat
п - p like pizza
р - r like road, rolled like in most slavic languages
с - s like see
т - t like talk
ќ - kj like cute
у - u like moon
ф - f like fairy
х - h like hot
ц - c like stree_ts_
ч - č like church
џ - dž like judge
ш - š like ship
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Learning Macedonian language - учиме македонскиот јазик
Last edited by pthalo; 08-14-2008 at 04:08 PM.
I'm stronger than the tricks played on your heart. We look at them together then we take 'em apart. Adding up the total of a love that's true, multiply life by the power of two. -
give it time!! listen to Toše Macedonian songs .. it will come .. I have been learning Croatian-Serbian and Turkish for a little over a year now, and it is finally taking hold .. hehe ..
Ostani do kraj,
cekaj go denot nov sto se budi,
ljubi me i znaj,
ti si se sto sakam jas. -
yeah, i've been listening. Also I really like Јован Јованов, especially the song Во Право Си that I found on youtube. I downloaded a bunch of Тоше's songs that have nice lyrics (well they're all nice, but certain ones resonate with me more than others). And a friend linked me to a site with lots of Macedonian songs. Downloaded a bunch of love songs.
Songs:
http://www.radiomk.com/Mp3_Download_..._1_5_ewrrwasd/Last edited by pthalo; 08-15-2008 at 11:07 AM.
I'm stronger than the tricks played on your heart. We look at them together then we take 'em apart. Adding up the total of a love that's true, multiply life by the power of two. -
Aaaaaaaah, so you have opened the threaaaaaaaaaad. I'm so proud of you folks! Prekrasni ste! By the way, pthalo, your Macedonian is so far sooo good. =) One question: Would you bother if I corrected your little mistakes, just to help you learning it more properly? Thanks. =)
P.S. Учиме македонски (not: македонскиот) јазик. We have a double object represented by a short form of the object pronoun and the suitable suffix, depending on the gender. It would be either: Учиме македонски јазик, or Го учиме македонскиот јазик. In the first case we can talk about an indefinite object, while in the latter about a definite object.
But I really don't want to confuse you with tones of information from the beginning, I'll leave a space for you to accommodate a bit to the language. =)
By the way, have you mastered the Macedonian alphabet already? If you wonder how particular letters are pronounced, check this site out: http://macedoniadirect.com/azbuka.htm
You just click on the letter and there you go-a pronunciation. =)
If any doubts, let me know. You can also PM me for anything you need.'I have a cane and I know how to use it.' -
Ањесо -- silly keyboard--, awesome, thanks for the corrections. I really need them because otherwise I won't know what I'm doing wrong, so it's really appreciated, please do correct me when you have time.
And yeah, I'm still having problems with definite articles, when I write longer things, instead of writing "твојата мачка" i'll write "твоета мачка" (remembering gender for the член but forgetting for rest of the word) or "твојата мачката" (putting the член in both places). Or I forget the double object.I'll get it though.
I think I'm getting the alphabet down, but I still read slowly in cyrillic because it's not my native alphabet. I read Serbian cyrillic like a 2nd grader in elementary school, but I'm getting better. And going from Serbian to Macedonian cyrillic isn't too hard because there's only a few new letters to learn.
Is ѓ pronounced like Serbian ђ or is it a slightly different sound? i haven't been able to figure that out by hearing yet. I know ќ is different from ћ and I'm glad because I can't pronounce ћ yet.
If I don't know a word and write the Serbian word instead, will Macedonians understand me?Last edited by pthalo; 08-14-2008 at 04:03 PM.
I'm stronger than the tricks played on your heart. We look at them together then we take 'em apart. Adding up the total of a love that's true, multiply life by the power of two. -
ok then, I will =)
And yeah, I'm still having problems with definite articles, when I write longer things, instead of writing "твојата мачка" i'll write "твоета мачка" (remembering gender for the член but forgetting for rest of the word) or "твојата мачката" (putting the член in both places). Or I forget the double object. I'll get it though.
Is ѓ pronounced like Serbian ђ or is it a slightly different sound? i haven't been able to figure that out by hearing yet. I know ќ is different from ћ and I'm glad because I can't pronounce ћ yet.
If I don't know a word and write the Serbian word instead, will Macedonians understand me?'I have a cane and I know how to use it.' -
сјајно, фала.
кои се ваши омилени песни на македонски?
Сега мои се:
Јован Јованов - Во право си
Мизар - во мојот сон
Тоше - Соба за тага, Лошо ти стои, илузија, студена, во коси да ти спијам...
Тања Ангелова - Само тебе те сакам
Архангел - Радост
Игор Узунов - Ми требаш како молитва -
Here you are
It will be nice if someone shows some basics and grammar because I understand everything that you said but I want to speak some Macedonian.
And it will be great if it would be on serbian becuse everybody here knows it and it will be nice to see differences and similarity...
Bla bla, my tongue hurts of speaking -
i meni zanima, da li ima (besplatan) srpsko-makedonski rečnik na internetu negde? i da li ima nešto websajt gde popisuje razlici između srpskog i makedonskog? već sam primetila mnogo stvari, ali sam još vrlo u početku (učim makedonski od 4 avgusta, i srpski od 10 marta). i da li neko zna gde se može skidati pravopis za fajrfoks za makedonski jezik? jer bi bilo lakše pisati da vidim kada nešto loše pišem (na primer, ako pišem кажем umesto кажам).
и јас сум заинтересирна, дали има бесплатан српски-македонски речник на интернет некаде? И дали има нешто вебсајт каде ги попишуваат разликите помеѓу српски и македонски јазики? Веќе наоѓав многу работи, а сум уште навистина многу на почекотот. (Учим македонски од 4 август и српски од 10 март). Дали некој знае каде се може download спелчекер за фајрфакс за македонски јазик? затоаа што ќе пишав полесно, ќе видам кога лошо пишам. (например, ако пишам "кажем" наместо кажам).
(I think that's the most complicated thing I've ever tried to write in Macedonian)I'm stronger than the tricks played on your heart. We look at them together then we take 'em apart. Adding up the total of a love that's true, multiply life by the power of two. -
Here you are my dear:
* Здраво = Hello
* Добар ден = Good day
* Добро утро = Good morning
* Добра вечер = Good evening
* Добродојде / добродојдовте = Welcome
* Чао = Bye
* Како си / сте? = How are you?
* Како е? = What's up?
* Добар(male)/добра(female) сум, како си ти / сте вие? = I'm good, how are you?
* Добро сум, благодарам = I'm fine, thank you
* Јас сум добар(male)/добра(female), а ти / вие? = I am good, and you?
* Јас се викам Х/Моето име е Х = My name is X
* Како се викаш / викате? = What is your name?
* Мило ми е што те / ве запознав = Nice to meet you
* Од каде си / сте? = Where are you from?
* Јас сум од Скопје= I am from Skopje
Notes:
* Macedonian makes a distinction between singular you and plural you, and, as with many European languages, the plural is used to show respect to someone who you don't know/haven't met, i.e. when you want to be polite. Ex., Како си? = Second person singular/The informal way; Како сте? = Second person plural/The formal, polite way.
* The stress of each word is placed on the antepenultimate (third to last) syllable, with few exceptions(international words, borrowings mainly)
For example, добрoдојдовте is pronounced dobrodóidofte; здраво is pronounced zdravo.'I have a cane and I know how to use it.' -
Никогаш не сум слушнала за спелчекер за македонски, но ќе се обидам да се распрашам и ќе ти кажам.
(I think that's the most complicated thing I've ever tried to write in Macedonian)
Edit: Ти ги исправам грешките со bold.'I have a cane and I know how to use it.' -
I'll be posting other phrases and grammar basics as well, I can't do it all in one post. =)
'I have a cane and I know how to use it.' -
Prepositions:
Без = without
близу = near
додека, до = to, until
долж = along
под = under
пред = in front of
зад = behind
помеѓу = between
над = on top of, above, over
вон = outside of, beyond
кон = toward
кај = at
покрај = by, beside, near, alongside
накрај = at the end of
низ = through
меѓу = among, between
на = on, at
наместо/место = instead of, in place of
наспроти, спроти = opposite
низ = downwards
за = about
од = from, since
околу = around, about
освен = except
по = per, by
после, по = after
преку = above, over, beyond
при = at, over, by
против = against
поради = because of, for the sake of
со = with, by
слично = similar, like
сред = midst, in the middle
дури = even, while
во = in
наспроти = in defiance of
внатре = inside, within
за = for, after
заради = because of, due to
зашто = because, since'I have a cane and I know how to use it.' -
Моментално оваа:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssmoC9TIIrM'I have a cane and I know how to use it.' -
This is great!
I da li se stvarno kaže ПИШАМ и ПОПИШУВАТ -
Wow
I'm glad to see you have opened the thread we spoke about:-) Bravo!!!
That's really niceYou have also started with lessons, even better
Well, I want you to know that I'm here as well if you need some guide and
help in learning Macedonian and of course feel free to ask about anything you have doubts about:-)
I just came for a brief moment, next time I will post my favorite Macedonian songs as well
P.S. Dear Vlada, пишам ( пишувам is more literary)- means "I'm writing", and попишува means "to note down, to enrol " etc :-)The icon lamp has brighten the sky
white aureole are knitting the angels for you
your star extinguished, as soon as I found you, you left
***TOŠE FOREVER IN OUR HEARTS*** -
фала лепо за исправка и охрабруванње! Пописот од предлози е многу корисен.
Воопшто дали се користат предлози како и на српски? например „во„ = „у„, „со„ = „са„, „помеѓу„ = „између„ итн?
Сочко, ти омилената песна е убава
Hvala lepo za ispravku i ohrabrenje! Ovaj popis predloga je mnogo koristan.Uopšte da li se koriste predlozi kako i na srpskom? Na primer "vo" = "u", "so" = "sa", "pomegju" = "između", itd?
Sočko, tvoja omiljena pesma je lepaI'm stronger than the tricks played on your heart. We look at them together then we take 'em apart. Adding up the total of a love that's true, multiply life by the power of two. -
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